>> HELLO EVERYBODY AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR AND COMPANY.

HERE IS WHAT'S COMING UP.

CRUNCH TIME FOR EUROPE AS LEADERS MEET TO DECIDE WHETHER TO USE FROZEN RUSSIAN ASSETS TO HELP UKRAINE.

WHY IT IS SO CONTROVERSIAL.

> >> AND AI.

THE RACE A POTENTIAL BUBBLE AND SERIOUS ETHICAL CONCERNS.

DIGGING IN TO THE ISSUES WITH A FORMER MEP AND AUTHOR OF THE TECH COUP.

> >> AND THEN LIBERATION.

THE HIT PLAY EXPLORING WOMEN'S RIGHTS, MEMORY AND BALANCING THE POLITICAL AND PERSONAL.

PLAY WRIGHT BETH JOINS ME ALONGSIDE ONE P ITS STARS.

> >> AND A NOW ALL TO FAMILIAR AMERICAN STORY.

SUFFERING NOT ONE BUT TWO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

ZOEY SURVIVOR OF BROWN AND PARKLAND SPEAKS TO MICHELLE.

> >> AMANPOUR AND COMPANY IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE ANDERSON FAMILY ENDOWMENT, JIM ATWOOD AND LESLIE WILLIAMS, CANDACE KING WEIR, THE SIMON B ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTISEMITISM, THE FAMILY FOUNDATION, THE PETER G PETERSON FUND.

CHARLES COMMITTED TO BRIDGING CULTURAL DIFFERENCES IN OUR COMMUNITIES, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBURG AND BCONTRIBUTIONS BY VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU.

> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM EVERYBODY.

A HUGE DECISION FOR EUROPE.

LEADERS MEETING AT AN IMPORTANT TWO DAY SUMMIT TO DISCUSS AN UNPRECEDENTED PLAN TO USE FROZEN RUSSIAN ASSETS TO FINANCE MORE SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME NOW AND IT'S FINALLY DECISION TIME.

IT'S SETTING UP A CLASH BETWEEN MEMBER STATES WITH BELGIUM RAISING CONCERNS GIVEN THAT IT HOLDS MOST OF THE FROZEN CASH.

CRITICS ARGUE THAT IT'S LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE AND RISKS SERIOUS RETALIATION FROM MOSCOW.

HERE IS THE PRIME MINISTER OF POLAND SPEAKING EARLIER.

>> NOW WE HAVE A SIMPLE CHOICE.

EITHER MONEY TODAY OR BLOOD TOMORROW.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT UKRAINE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT EUROPE.

THIS IS OUR DECISION TO MAKE AND ONLY OURS.

I THINK ALL EUROPEAN LEADERS HAVE TO FINALLY RISE TO THE OCCASION.

>> AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID WITHOUT THE MONEY THERE WILL BE A BIG PROBLEM FOR UKRAINE.

> >> LET'S GET INTO ALL OF THIS NOW.

CLAIRE SEBASTIAN HAS THE LATEST.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $250 BILLION IN FROZEN RUSSIAN ASSETS AND THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AS THIS WAR IS ENTERING IT'S 4th YEAR.

JUST WALK US THROUGH THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE TWO DAYS AND WHY THERE IS SO MUCH DEBATE OVER WHETHER OR NOT THIS MONEY CAN BE USED TO HELP FINANCE THIS WAR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IN UKRAINE.

>> YEAH.

THIS IS A CRITICAL MOMENT FOR UKRAINE, FOR EUROPE, FOR THE COURSE OF THESE ONGOING UNITED STATES LED PEACE EFFORTS WE ARE SEEING.

WE ARE NOW QUITE A FEW HOURS INTO THIS SUMMIT.

WE THINK THE OFFICIAL DEBATE ON UKRAINE FUNDING HAS NOT STARTED YET AMONG LEADERS BUT WE KNOW THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO DO THIS, TO MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION BY THE END OF THIS SUMMIT.

WE KNOW A LOT OF WORK IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES TO GET THERE.

IT IS A VERY TRICKY ISSUE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE SEEN THIS DEBATE RAGING FOR SO MANY MONTHS IF NOT YEARS.

YOU KNOW THE ISSUE THAT BELGIUM HAVE RAISED IS THAT THEY FEEL THEY WOULD BE PUT AT RISK IF THIS WAS A AGREED UPON BECAUSE ALMOST 90% OF THE ASSET THAT ARE IN EUROPE ARE IN BELGIUM.

THEY THINK THEY WOULD BE LIABLE FOR THE LOAN IF IT GETS RECALLED BUT ALSO FOR LEGAL COSTS AROUND THAT AND THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF THE EURO AND EUROPE AS AN INVESTMENT DESTINATION.

AS OF THIS MORNING THE PRIME MINISTER SPEAKING IN THE GOVERNMENT SAID HE HADN'T SEEN A DOCUMENT THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS BUT AS I SAID, A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES AND FOR UKRAINE AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY WAS HERE TODAY.

THIS IS A CRITICAL MOMENT.

THEY FACE TWO CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW.

NUMBER ONE IS THAT THEY REALLY ARE LOOKING IN TO THE BARREL OF A CASH SHORT FALL GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.

THE IDEA IS THAT AS OF THE SECOND QUARTER UKRAINE WILL STRUGGLE TO MEET SOME OF ITS SPENDING COMMITMENTS INCLUDING FOR DEFENSE AND THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT THEY WOULD STRUGGLE TO FUND THEIR DRONE PROGRAM TO THE SAME EXTENT AND WE KNOW HOW CRITICAL THAT IS, ON THE BATTLE FIELD.

THERE'S THE FINANCIAL MOMENT FOR UKRAINE AND ALSO THE GEO POLITICAL ELEMENT TO GO BACK INTO ANOTHER ROUND OF TALKS THAT THE DELEGATION WITH THE UNITED STATES THAT WILL START TOMORROW WITHOUT A CLEAR PLAN FOR FUNDING.

TAKE A LISTEN TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY WHO SPOKE HERE A LITTLE EARLIER.

>> ALL THESE QUESTIONS ARE CONNECTED.

MONEY IS NEEDED SO THAT RUSSIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD DOESN'T USE THESE ASSETS AS LEVERAGE AGAINST US.

WE ARE MORE CONFIDENT AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IF WE HAVE THESE ASSETS.

>> YEAH.

HE SAID WE WILL BE MORE CONFIDENT AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE WHICH IS A POLITE WAY OF SAYING THEY WOULD BE LACKING IN LEVERAGE WITHOUT THIS.

AS I SAID, A CRITICAL MOMENT.

IT COULD BE A VERY LONG NIGHT HERE BUT FOR EUROPE AS WELL.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SUPPORTING UKRAINE BUT ABOUT PROVING THEY CAN STAND ON THEIR OWN AND REALLY COMMIT TO THEIR OWN SECURITY.

>> YEAH.

AND MOSCOW HAS SEIZED UPON THIS AND THE FACT THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A WEDGE ISSUE AMONG EUROPEAN NATIONS.

THEY HAVE FILED LAWSUITS ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF SUCH A MOVE.

WHAT IS THE UNITED STATES'S POSITION HERE IN ITS CHANGED OVER THE TWO ADMINISTRATIONS THAT INHERITED THIS WAR.

PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> YEAH.

WHAT WE KNOW THIS POINT THE UNITED STATES STAYED RELATIVELY QUIET AS WE HAVE APPROACHED THIS SUMMIT WE KNOW THAT THE FURTHER PART OF THAT PEACE PLAN HAD A CLAUSE THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE UNITED STATES USING A PORTION OF THESE ASSETS FOR JOINT INVESTMENT PROJECT WASES WITH RUSSIA AND PROFITING FROM THEM.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME SPECULATION AROUND THAT THE UNITED STATES IS NOT ON BOARD OF THIS IDEA OF EUROPE USING THE FROZEN ASSETS TO, YOU KNOW, FINANCE A LOAN FOR UKRAINE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO USE THEM AS PART OF A PEACE DEAL.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THAT RECENTLY.

I THINK IT'S, AS I SAID, A CRITICAL MOMENT FOR ZELENSKYY THAT THEY HAVE THIS CLEAR PLAN FOR FUNDING GOING INTO THE NEXT ROUND OF TALKS.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THE LATEST SITUATION OF THE PEACE PLAN CONTAINS ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

> >> WE TURN NOW TO AI WHICH IS TRANSFORMING OUR ECONOMY AND IS JUST GETTING STARTED.

AI COMPANIES ARE BEING PUMPED WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THE RACE FOR DOMANCE IS ON.

THERE ARE VERY SERIOUS CONCERN WAS THE TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

JUST THIS WEEK DISTURBING DEEP FAKE IMAGES SPREAD ONLINE CLAIM THAT THE BONDI BEACH MASSACRE WAS A FALSE FLAG SITUATION.

THE SORT OF MISINFORMATION THE EU WANTS TO CLAMP DOWN ON BUT IT FACES A HOSTILE WHITE HOUSE.

WE WANT TO DIG INTO THE ISSUES NOW WITH A FORMER MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.

SHE JOINS ME NOW FROM SAN FRANCISCO.

IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

JUST LAST WEEK THE PRESIDENT ISSUED AN ORDER BLOCKING STATES HERE IN AMERICA FROM INSTITUTING AI LAWS AND INSTEAD PUSHING FOR A FEDERAL SINGLE NATIONAL FRAMEWORK, WE SHOULD NOTE THAT CONGRESS HASN'T PASSED.

IT IS PUTTING THE UNITED STATES AND THE EU ONCE AGAIN ON DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE SPECTRUP IN TERMS OF THEIR APPROACH TO AI AND REGULATION.

IS IT JUST TWO DIFFERENT IDEAS OR ARE THERE DIFFERING VIEWS ON HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE USED?

>> IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO WHEN GOVERNMENTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD SHORTLY AFTER THE BREAKTHROUGHS IN GENERATIVE AI, ALL THE CHAT BOTS ON THE MARKETS REALIZES THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TECHNOLOGY AND THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS, RULE OF LAW CONCERNS THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT SAFE GUARDS IN PLACE FOR.

SO, VERY FEW PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD BELIEVE THAT NO RULES WILL RENDER THE BEST RESULTS FOR SOCIETY BUT UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE UNITED STATES IS TAKING.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST POWER OF AI COMPANIES ARE AMERICANS.

>> AND EUROPE'S APPROACH CAN GO BACK GENERATIONS AND IS SHAPED BY DEEP PRIVACY SCARS.

WHY IS IT IN YOUR VIEW THAT EUROPE-S TO PRIORITIZE DEFENDING PRIVACY IN WAYS THAT PERHAPS THE UNITED STATES JUST DOESN'T VIEW AS A PRIORITY?

>> INDEED IN EUROPE THERE'S A VERY DEEP HISTORIC INFORMED APPRECIATION FOR THE NEED TO PREVENT THE ABUSE OF POWER.

ABUSE OF POWER BY THE STATE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE REMEMBER VIVIDLY THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES UNDER THE COMMUNIST AND NAZ I REGIMES THAT USED TECHNOLOGY TO SPY ON PEOPLE AND THAT SAME SENSITIVITY ABOUT NEEDING TO PREVENT ABSOLUTE POWER WITHOUT OVERSIGHT, WITHOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES IS ALSO FELT TOWARD TECH COMPANIES BUT REALLY TOWARD ALL ACTIONERS IN SOCIETY.

THE DATA PROTECTION RULE THAT ARE IN PLACE IN EUROPE APPLY TO GOVERNMENTS, HOSPITALS AND TECH COMPANIES.

I THINK IT IS A REFLECTION OF THE RESPECT FOR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS THAT IS ALSO IN A CHARTER IN EUROPE SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT EUROPEANS CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

NOW, OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE SHOULDN'T BE ROOM FOR INNOVATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE RULES IS FOSTER INNOVATION.

THE AI ACT AND LAW BEING DONE IN EUROPE IS VERY MUCH IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT EUROPEAN AI COMPANIES AND ALL AI COMPANIES REALLY CAN THRIVE ON THE BASIS OF TRUST AND NOT JUST BLIND TRUST IN WHAT COMPANIES SAY IS SAFE AND IS AGREEABLE BUT HAVING THOSE OVERSIGHT MECHANISM THAT ARE VERY COMMON.

THINK ABOUT MEDICINE, CARS, FOOD, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN THE UNITED STATES, IN EUROPE AND MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE RULES IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE CONSUMERS PROTECTED, RIGHTS PROTECTED, SAFETY IS GUARANTEED.

I THINK WE ARE ALSO IN A PART WHERE AI IS, YOU KNOWMATURING ALSO IN RELATION TO WHAT A REGULATORY LANDSCAPE LOOKS LIKE.

>> TO THE QUESTION OF IF REGULATION IS COMING AT THE COST OF INNOVATION CRITICS SAY EUROPE'S RULES SAY AI COMPANIES BEING PUSHED TO THE UNITED STATES.

40 MODEL WAS NOTED LAST YEAR, JUST THREE IN EUROPE.

HOW DOES THE EU PLAN TO STAY COMPETITIVE?

I KNOW YOU JUST WENT THROUGH ACKNOWLEDGE MEMBER THAT THIS COULD BE A FACTOR BUT WHAT ARE THE CONCRETE PLANS TO AVOID IT?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BARRIERS EXIST IN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND THERE IS A LOT OF FOCUS SOMETIMES IN A SORT OF MATTER OF WHAT REGULATION MEANS.

REGULATION IS VERY DIVERSE.

IT CAN LEAD TO DIFFERENT OUTCOMES ONE OF THE BIG HURDLE THAT THE EU FACES IS ONE, EXISTING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN IT'S 27 MEMBER STATE THAT COSTS MONEY FOR BUSINESSES TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO DO WELL ACROSS BORDERS BUT ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR IS ACCESS TO CAPITOL.

THERE HAS BEEN A LONG LASTING DEBATE ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE A CAPITOL MARKET UNION THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR START UPS BUT PARTICULARLY SCALE UPS SO WHEN THESE PROMISING COMPANIES ARE BEGINNING TO GROW THEY CAN FIND INVESTMENT ROUNDS ON THE EUROPEAN CAPITOL MARKETS.

IRONY IS THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS EASIER ACCESS TO CAPITOL WHICH WOULD MAKE EUROPE MORE COM PESTIVE WE NEED REGULATION TO HARMONIZE THOSE MARKETS.

IT'S A BIT OF A MAN TRA I HEAR.

SOME REGULATIONS HAVE SPARKED INNOVATION.

SOME MAY HAVE LEAD TO OBSTACLES BUT IT'S JUST TO SIMPLE TO STATE THAT IT STIFFLS INNOVATION.

IF WE LISTEN TO CE OH,'S OF AI COMPANIES AND THE WORLD'S LEADING SCIENCE SCIENTISTS THERE IS NO ONE THAT SAYS THERE IS NO RISK.

THEY MAY DIFFER ON WHAT THE MOST PRESSING RISK IS BUT THE IDEA THERE HAVE BE INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT IS VERY COMMON.

IT'S THE UNITED STATES THAT TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

IN THE REST OF THE WORLD IT'S A PRETTY NORMAL THING TO SEEK OVER RISKY PRODUCTS.

>> LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER TO BLOCK AI LAWS IN STATES SPECIFICALLY AND INSTEAD NAME A SINGLE NATIONAL FEDERAL LAW THAT WHO HAVE ALREADY NOTED DOES NOT EXIST YET.

CONGRESS HAS NOT PASSED ONE.

WITH THE PRESIDENT ISSUING THE EXECUTIVE ORDER, SOMETHING THAT HE LEGALLY CAN DO AND HAS THE RIGHT AND POWER TO DID DO WE KNOW THAT WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIM, HIS SUCCESSOR CAN EASILY ROLL BACK THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.

JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS THEN COME ABOUT AS FAR AS WHO REGULATES AND WHO CONTROLS AI IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHAT 'COMPANIES ARE DOING IN RESPONSE TO THIS TYPE OF ORDER WHEN THEY KNOW THAT IT'S LIMITED TO PERHAPS TWO OR THREE YEARS.

>> WE ARE TALKING AT A MOMENT WHERE THERE IS UNPRECEDENTED COLLABORATION AND SYNERGY BETWEEN MAJOR AI AND TECH COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE WHITE HOUSE UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

I THINK THAT IT'S A GAMBLE THAT THESE TECH COMPANIES TAKING TO TIE THEIR FATES SO STRONGLY AND SO CLEARLY TO THIS PRESIDENT WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS CONTROVERSIAL CERTAINLY IN EUROPE WHERE THERE IS -- STRONG STATEMENTS, TRADE WARS, THREATS OF IMPOSING TAXES ON EUROPEAN COMPANIES IF THE EU CONTINUES TO REGULATE AI AND TECH COMPANIES.

SO, THERE IS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY AND CONFRONTATION COMING OUT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE TECH COMPANIES PLAY A LEADING ROLE IN THEIR INTERESTS BEING PUSHED AND ALSO THE PLATFORMS AND INVESTMENTS BEING PUSHED AROUND THE WORLD.

SO, WE ARE SEEING AN UNPRECEDENTED SITUATION.

THE APPROACH BY THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN ONE OF DEREGULATION.

ROLLING BACK SOME VERY NACENT STEP THAT WERE TAKEN UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND, NOW, THIS EXIVE ORDER THAT SEEKS TO BAN STATES PASSING LAWS.

I'M SURE IT'LL BE CHALLENGED BECAUSE IT TOUCHES ON THE VERY IDEA OF FEDERAL ISM IN THE UNITED STATES SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT DECISION THAT HAS MUCH WIDER IMPLICATIONS THAT JUST FOR AI COMPANIES.

INDEED, BUILDING LAWS ON EXECUTIVE ORDERS ALSO MAKE THEM AT RISK FOR A CHANGE WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGES AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT'S TECH COMPANIES WILL SEEK TO INFLUENCE WHATEVER LAW IS BEING MADE IF IT'S ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, ON THE STATE LEVEL, WHETHER ITS EXECUTIVE ORDER OR OTHERWISE.

THE MARKET POWER REFLECTS A VERY STRONG LOBBYING POWER.

NOW ITS CLEAR THAT'S DOORS OF THE WHITE HOUSE ARE OPEN.

A LOT OF DOORS IN CONGRESS ARE ALSO OPEN.

THERE IS ALSO SOCIETY.

WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE CHALLENGES IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES WITH REGARD TO DATA CENTERS FOR EXAMPLE THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPING ALL THESE AI MODELS AND PRODUCTS.

SO I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF POLITICAL DEBATE AND EVEN PUSH BACK AGAINST THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND AGAINST THIS MASSIVE ROOM THAT AI COMPANIES ARE GETTING NOW IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE THERE IS ALSO A PRICE BEING PAID BY SOCIETY.

>> YEAH.

WE KNOW MOST AMERICANS WANT SOME SORT OF AI GUARDRAIL IS THAT STATES WERE ACTING ON THAT AND RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT DEMOCRACY WHEN ONE EXECUTIVE ORDER CAN COME IN AND CHANGE ALL OF THAT AND TAKE AWAY A STATE'S RIGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED DATA CENTERS, AND THAT RAISED CONTINUED CONCERN ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE CARBON FOOT PRINT FROM THESE POWER GENERATING DATA CENTERS.

TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT IS BUILT INTO BOTH THE ECONOMIC MODELS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND WORLD WEIGH AND THE CONCERNS IT RAISES.

>> HAVING THESE DATA CENTERS IS CRITICAL TO RUN ALL THESE MODELS, TO TRAIN THE MODELS.

THIS IS WHERE THE SERVERS ARE BEING STORED AND COOLED.

THESE ARE HUGE SLEEPMENTS, HUGE BUILDINGS THAT NEED A LOT OF ENERGY, OFTEN ELECTRICITY AND ALSO WATER TO COOL THE PLANTS.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DATA CENTERS DEVELOPED AND A LOT MORE IN THE PIPELINE WHEREAS, ELECTRICITY GRIDS, WATER SUPPLIES, CAN'T ALWAYS COPE.

WE SEE INCREASING PUSH BACK NOT ONLY AGAINST THE ECONOMIC GAMBLES THAT THESE RESOURCE INTENSIVE INVESTMENTS REQUIRE, THE LOANS THAT AI COMPANIES ARE TAKING TO BUILD THESE DATA CENTERS AND THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE REVENUE THAT CAN PAY OFF THESE LOANS, WHETHER IT IS INVESTING THAT WILL PAY ITSELF BACK THAT IS WORTHWHILE FOR THE INVESTORS BUT THERE IS ALSO A GAMBLE WITH WHAT IT MEANS FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES, FOR THE POWER GRIDS, FOR THE TRADEOFFS BETWEEN THE INTERESTS OF BIG COMPANIES AND THE BILLIONAIRES RUNNING THEM AND LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT SOMETIMES FACE DROUGHT, THAT SOMETIMES FACE SCARCITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE POWER GRID ALREADY.

SO, YOU KNOW WHILE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE CLOUD AND ABOUT ONLINE REALITIES, IN WHICH AI PLAYS A ROLE THESE ARE THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT THIS MODEL IN THE ECONOMY LOOKS LIKE AND THE CONFRONTATION THAT WE WILL SEE MORE OF AND THAT WE ALSO SEE POLITICIANS ACTING UPON.

YOU KNOW THERE ARE NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WANT TO SEE A STOP ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF DATA CENTERS.

THERE ARE ALREADY SUCH STOPS IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOCIETY JUST CANNOT COPE WITH THIS MASSIVE GROWTH AND RESOURCE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT.

>> AS MUCH PROMISE AS THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES BRING WE SEE MORE AND MORE CONCERN ABOUT THIS TECH KNOWLEDGE CAL ADVANCEMENT PERHAPS IMPACTING HUMAN JOBS AND IT'S EVEN NOW BEEN REFLECTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR AND CONCERNS ABOUT COMPANIES FOR THE MOMENT FREEZING HIRING GOING FORWARD AND PERHAPS IN THE YEARS TO COME REPLACING SOME JOBS WITH AI.

THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF AN AI BUBBING.

ARE WE HERE?

ARE WE CLOSE TO ONE?

WHICH CONCERN DO YOU THINK IS MORE WARRANTED THAT WE ARE REACHING A POINT WHERE HUMANS NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR JOBS AND LIVELIHOOD OR PERHAPS FROM INVESTMENT STANDPOINT ARE WE OVER LEVERAGED TOWARD AI?

>> I THINK BOTH CHALLENGES COME TOGETHER IN THE FACT THAT THERE IS SO MUCH ROOM, POWER, AGENCY, GIVEN TO THESE AI COMPANY WAS SO FEW SAFE GUARDS FOR SOCIETY.

ASSOCIATION YOU KNOW, JOBS NOT JUST A MATTER OF WHICH SECTOR WILL SELEOFFS OR LESS HIRES LIKE COMPUTER SCIENCESES STUDENTS THAT I TEACH AT STANFORD.

THEY WORRY ABOUT THEIR FUTURES EVEN THOUGH THEY HIGHLY EDUCATED IN A PROMISING FIELD.

ON THE INVESTOR SIDE OF COURSE THE RISKS TAKEN BY THE AI COMPANIES BUT THE PRICE AND THE FALL OUT OF ANY BUBBLE BURSTING WILL RIP THROUGH THE ECONOMY.

SO I THINK BOTH THESE MILLIONS ABOUT EMPLOYMENTS AND ABOUT INVESTMENT ACTUALLY BRING US TO THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH RISK AND GAMBLE DO WE WANT TECH COMPANIES AND THE BILLIONAIRES TO TAKE WHILE THE CONSEQUENCES, THE PRICE, THE SOCIAL UNREST, THE CONCERNS, THE LACK OF TRUST, THE ECONOMIC GAMBLES ALL FOR SOCIETY TO HAVE TO RECKON WITH.

>> WE DO KNOW THAT AI AND THE AI BOOM MAKES UP THE LION SHARE OF ALL THE ECONOMIC GROWTH WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR IN THE PAST YEAR.

WE HAD CONTINUE TO COVER THIS CLOSELY FOR SURE AS WILL YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

> >> NEXT THE WOMEN'S LIBERATION MOVEMENT AS SEEN ON BROADWAY.

A NEW PLAY IS TAKING AUDIENCES BACK TO THE 1970s TO EXPLORE THAT IMPORTANT TIME FOR WOMEN.

IT'S CALLED LIBERATION, A MEMORY PLAY ABOUT THINGS I DON'T REMEMBER AND IT SEES THE NARRATOR LOOKING BACK AT HER MOTHER'S ACDIVISM AND SOCIAL CHANGE.

I'M JOINED BY THE WRITER.

WELCOME.

I HAVE TO SAY I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED THIS PLAY.

I CRIED, I LAUGHED, I --WHAT WAS SO MOVED BY SOME OF THE REALLY POWERFUL MOMENTS AND SCENES.

IT WAS SO FASCINATING THAT -- THAT I WOULD GOB BACK AND FORTH WITH ALL OF THESE EMOTIONS WITH IN A ONE AND A HALF OR TWO MINUTE FRAME.

KUDOS TO YOU ON BUILDING BEAUTIFUL AND DYNAMIC PLAY THE WAY YOU DID.

BETH I DO WANT TO START BY -- THE TIMELINE HERE MOVING BETWEEN 1970s AND THE PRESENT.

WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO TELL THE STORY FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ACROSS THESE TWO TIMELINES IN >> I REALLY FELT THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST A HISTORY LESSON OR WAS JUST HISTORICAL EVEN THOUGH THOSE PARTS IMPORTANT.

I WANTED TO PUT THE CONVERSATION WITH RIGHT NOW AND ASK ABOUT WHERE HAVE WE BEEN, WHERE ARE WE GOING, WHAT HAS BEEN GAINED, WHAT HAS BEEN LOST AND MAKE THE PLAY FEEL AS IMMEDIATE AND ALIVE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE ARE NOT GOING BACK IN TIME JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GOING BACK IN TIME.

WE ARE GOING BACK IN TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> AND WHAT WAS EVEN MORE COMPLEX ON YOUR PART WAS NOT JUST TAKING THE AUDIENCE BACK IN TIME BUT THE FACT THAT THE MAIN CHARACTER WAS ALSO GOING BACK AND FORTH IN TIME FROM THE PRESENT TO THE 1970s AND TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HER MOTHER AND SOME OF THE WORK THAT SHE WAS DOING AND THE CHARACTERS SHE WAS DOING IT WITH.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A SHORT EXCHANGE FROM THE PLAY AS I MENTIONED LIZY IS THE MAIN CHARACTER.

SHE PLAYED BY SUSANNA FLOYD.

SHE IS IS SETTING UP THE STORY AND HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT HER MOTHER'S COMMITMENT TO EQUAL RIGHTS EVEN AS THEY ARE BEING ERODED.

>> IT'S A MEMORY PLAY IN A WAY.

IT'S ABOUT MY MOTHER.

IT'S FOR MY MOTHER WHO RECENTLY --SHE IS NOT HERE ANYMORE SO, YEAH.

SO, IT'S ABOUT HER AND HER FRIENDS, HER BEAUTIFUL FRIENDS AND A THING --THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I THING THEY TRIED VERY HARD TO DO WRONG.

A THING THAT THEY DID, THAT THEY DID, THAT THEY UNQUESTIONABLY DO SO WHY DOES IT SOMEHOW FEEL LIKE IT'S ALL SLIPPING AWAY AND HOW DO WE GET IT BACK?

>> SO WHAT HAWES HER MOTHER'S STORY MEAN FOR WOMEN TODAY AND IN WHAT DID WOMEN GET WRONG?

>> SUCH A BIG QUESTION.

SUCH A GREAT QUESTION.

THINK WHAT THE PLAY DOES IS THIS TRICK OF WHAT IF YOU COULD RELIEVE YOUR MOM'S LIFE OR WHAT IF YOU COULD MEET YOUR MOM BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

IT'S SORT OF A UNIVERSAL FANTASY IN A WAY.

LIZZY BUT STEPPING IN TO HER MOTHER'S SHOES IN THE PLAY IS LOOKING AT WHETHER OR MOM REGRETS OR LIFE.

WHETHER HER MOM IS HAPPY WITH THE CHOICES SHE MADE AND HOW A MOTHER WHO HAS SO RADICAL COULD HAVE LIVED SUCH A TRADITIONAL LIFE AFTER SHE GOT MARRIED.

HOW DID A MOVEMENT THAT WAS SO RADICAL LAND US IN THE MOMENT THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW WHERE, AS YOU SAID, IT FEELS LIKE SO MUCH IS BEING ERODD AND SO MUCH IS SLIPPING AWAY.

>> AND WITHOUT GIVING UP TO MUCH OF THE PLAY THERE IS A BIT OF CLOSURE AT THE END BETWEEN LIZY AND HER MOTHER AND HER MOTHER SORT OF ADDRESSING WHAT LIZY GOT WRONG.

I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT TAKES PLACE FOR THE MOST PART DURING THIS PLAY AND THAT IS A MEETING OF CONSCIOUSNESS OF DIFFERENT WOMEN FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS IN THE 1970s THAT COME TOGETHER AND DEVELOP A BOND.

A BOND THAT'S UNIQUELY THEIRS ON THIS ONE ISSUE.

EVERY OTHER MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE IS SO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER'S.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THESE GROUPS?

>> I LEARNED HOW BRAVE IT WAS SO BE A PART OF THEM.

HOW HIGH THE RISK WAS TO SHOW UP TO THESE GROUPS EVERY DAY AND TO EVEN HOLD THESE BELIEFS.

THESE IDEAS THAT WOMEN ARE HUMANS.

THAT THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE WHO DESERVE EQUAL RIGHTS.

THE STAKES FOR WOMEN IN THE 70s WERE SO MUCH HIGHER AND EVERY NIGHT TRYING TO GET THAT KIND OF FEELING IN OUR BODIES OF THERE'S MORE HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THIS GYM.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS MESSAGE AND I JUST WALK AWAY FEELING SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THE SECOND FEMINIST, YOU KNOW MOVEMENT THE SECOND WAVE OF IT AND THE SACRIFICES THEY MADE BECAUSE IT WAS A SACRIFICE TO STAND IN THIS IDEA AND IN THESE BELIEFS AND TO SHOW UP TO THESE GROUPS AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

>> AND THE SHOW IS REALLY BEING PRAISED FOR ITS ENSEMBLE AND YOUR CHARACTER IS A POWERFUL PERFORMANCE.

I'M WONDER WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO THIS CHARACTER TO MAKE HER YOUR OWN.

>> WHAT DID I BRING?

>> SO MUCH.

>> I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHAT I FIRST TRIED OUT FOR IT I REMEMBER GOING INTO THE ROOM AND JUST DOING IT LIKE IT WAS ME.

WHITNEY BEING THE ADVISORY THAT SHE IS GIVES SO MUCH BREATH IN THE PROCESS.

>> THE DIRECTOR.

>> YES.

WHITNEY WHITE OUR DIRECTOR.

I CHANNELED A LIEUTENANT OF FIGURES THAT I LOOKED UP TO.

I MEAN CCH POUNDER WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST INFLUENCES.

SHE IS AN ACTRESS.

THEN YOU KNOW I LOOKED AT PEOPLE LIKE JAMES BALDWIN AND IRTHA KIT WHO HAS BLACK LISTED AND BRINGING IN THAT ENERGY, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS ABLE TO SHOW UP WITH.

>> AND SHE IS THE ONLY BLACK WOMAN IN THIS GROUP BUT IN THE SCENE WE ARE ABOUT TO SHOW OUR AUDIENCE SHE HAS A CONFRONTATION WITH JOANNE.

IDENTIFY HAD A FAVORITE CHARACTER JOANNE MAY HAVE BEEN MY FAVORITE.

THERE WERE SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM.

>> .

>> SHE WAS INCREDIBLE.

>> IT'S A JOY TO DO THIS SCENE WITH HER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW OUR AUDIENCE THOUGH, A SCENE OF THESE TWO BLACK WOMEN FROM THE SAME COMMUNITY WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LIFE STORIES AND THEIR CONNECTION AND THEIR INTERACTION IN THIS MOMENT.

>> THEY DON'T CARE.

>> YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE.

>> THEY WILL GO CLIMB THE LADDER.

THEY WILL GO WRITE THEIR NOVELS AND WHO WILL CLEAN THEIR HOUSES IN >> NOT ME.

WHILE WILL BE WATCHING THEIR CHILDREN, THEIR RISE DEPENDS ON KEEPING US DOWN.

>> THAT, THAT IS WHY WE ARE PUSHING FOR UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE.

UNION EYEING DOMESTIC WORKERS.

>> YOU CALL ME WHEN WE GET ALL THAT.

>> WE GOT --.

>> WE DIDN'T ANYTHING.

>> THAT ONE HITS HOME ESPECIALLY NOW.

BETH.

THIS REALLY CUTS TO THE HEART OF CRITICISM OF THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT THEN AND, I BELIEVE SHE IS A MOTHER OF FOUR BAYS AND COMES INTO THIS GROUP BY HAPPEN STANCE BECAUSE IT TAKES PLACE IN A GYM AND SHE IS A -- SHE IS CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR THE BACKPACK THAT HER SONS LEAVE BEHIND AND THIS EXCHANGE HAPPENS.

IN A POWERFUL MOMENT WAS WHEN SHE NOTES THAT IT'S ALMOST A LUXURY FOR SOME PEOPLE TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS AT 6:00 P. M. WHEN SHE SAYS OTHER WOMEN ARE AT HOME HAVING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN AND RAISE THEIR FAMILIES.

JUST TALK ABOUT THE TENSION.

>> YEAH.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY AS A MOM REALLY RELATED TO.

YOU KNOW BEING INVITED TO THINGS AND BEING LIKE HOW AM I POSSIBLY GOING TO GET TO THAT?

I HAVE CHILDREN.

SO, WHEN SHE SAYS YOU MAKE A WOMEN'S GROUP THAT WOMEN CAN'T COME TO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY TRUE IN THAT.

I WANTED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN PERSPECTIVE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE KIDS AND SOMEONE WHO COMES AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

PART OF THIS WAS ABOUT SHOWING THE SEAMS AND THE FRACTURES WITH IN THE MOVEMENT AND NOT TRYING TO PRETEND THAT IT WAS ALL ONE POINT OF VIEW.

LIKE ANY GREAT MOVEMENT THERE'S A RANGE OF APPROACHES AND DESIRES AND OBJECTIVES AND THAT ALL COMES INTO THE PLAY AND PROVIDES A LOT OF CONAPPLICANT AND ALSO PROVIDES A LOT OF HUMOR.

THE SCENE YOU JUST SHOWED BETWEEN THEM IS ALSO ONE OF THE FUNNIEST SCENES IN THE PLAY, I THINK AND, WHAT'S SO SMART ABOUT THEM IS THEY ARE ABLE TO GO FROM HUMOR TO PAIN IN JUST A HEARTBEAT AND KEEP THE AUDIENCE ON THEIR TOES THROUGHOUT THE PLAY.

>> THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING IN THE INTRODUCTION.

I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ONE OF THE FUNNIEST MOMENTS --THERE WERE SEVERAL BUT IT ALSO INVOLVED JOANNE WHEN LIZZY COMES BACK FROM PRESENT DAY TO THEN HAVE TO RECREATE HER MOTHER MEET HER FATHER AND TELLING THE AUDIENCE I CAN'T PLAY THIS MOMENT MYSELF AND SO SHE SAYS TO JONNE CAN YOU DO IT AND SHE IS LIKE WHY AM I HERE IN WHAT IS MY CHARACTER HERE.

WHAT IS MY ROLE HERE.

THAT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT BLIND SPOT THAT CAN LOOKS LIKE ARE YOU TRYING TO ADDRESS AS WELL.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

TO JUST AM I READING TO MUCH INTO THE FACT THAT EVEN AS YOU HAVE TWO BLACK WOMEN IN THIS SHOW WHEN SHE SAYS THAT LINE, WHY AM I HERE, HOW DO YOU SPEAKER INTERPRET THAT?

>> I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I'M ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE VERY PLAY IS CONSTRUCTED.

NOT JUST HOW THE MOVEMENT WAS MADE BUT HOW THE PLAY ITSELF IS MADE.

I'M TRYING TO HOLD MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE AS A WRITER FOR CENTERING A WHITE WOMAN IN THIS PLAY AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHETHER THAT'S OKAY OR NOT IN TERMS OF THE STORY TELLING.

I THINK THE PLAY IS ASKING THAT QUESTION AND DEALING THAT QUESTION.

HOPEFULLY IN AN HONEST WAY.

ONE THING THAT WHITNEY WHITE OUR DIRECTOR DID WAS KEEP S THE NARRATOR ON STAGE THE WHOLE TIME ARE YOU SORT OF CONSTANTLY SEEING THINGS THROUGH HER EYES AND ASKING WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR HER TO BE IN THE CENTER OF THE PLAY?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE ON THE EDGE OF THE PLAY.

AS THE PLAY'S NARRATOR CAN SHE EVER DECENTER HERSELF AND WHAT MIGHT THAT LOOK LIKE?

DEFINITELY ASKING QUESTIONS BOTH ABOUT HOW MOVEMENTS MADE AND HOW THEATER IS MADE.

>> AND WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT RAW ASSESSMENT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVED I READ THE PLAY.

I LOVED THE VERY FIRST MONOLOGUE.

WHEN I GOT TO THAT SCENE MY THOUGHT WAS THIS WRITER KNOW WHAT SHE IS DOING AND I WENT NOW DO I WANT TO PLAY JOANNE?

I WAS LIKE WAIT A MINUTE.

IT WAS --I THINK THAT BETH DOES SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF WRITERS WITH HER COMPLEXION IS ABLE TO DO WHICH IS STEP ASIDE AND POSSIBLY LISTEN AND LET THESE TWO CHARACTERS TEACH.

>> THERE ARE PAINFUL CHOICES THAT WHAT YOU EXPOSE THAT SO MANY WOMEN FEEL ARE UNFORTUNATELY OR UNFAIRLY CHOICES WOMEN ARE FORCED TO MAKE THAT MEN AREN'T.

YOU KNOW EVEN IF YOU FALL IN LOVE THEN HAVE YOU TO DECIDE AM I GIVING UP ONE PART OF MY LIFE TO PER SUE ANOTHER AND WHAT I LOVED ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER IS THAT SHE IS SO TOUGH, SO TOUGH, SO TOUGH, UNTIL WE GET TO THAT RAW MOMENT AND HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU TO SHOW AUDIENCES THAT YOU TOO HAVE THAT EMOTION AND YOU TOO HAVE THAT VULNERABLE SIDE EVEN IN THE TOUGHEST CHARACTER?

>> I THINK WHAT WE SEE IN HER TOUGHNESS IS A NEED TO -- FOR ANOMINTY.

SHE IS THE ONLY AND BECAUSE NOT THE --THE WOMEN IN THE GROUP AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HER PERSPECTIVE FULLY WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT MOMENT WHERE SHE COMPLETELY LETS IT ALL DOWN I THINK IT SURPRISES HER AS WELL.

I THINK THAT ADDS EXCITEMENT TO THE MOMENT AS WELL.

I --YEAH.

I'M --IT'S A CHALLENGE EVERY NIGHT TO STAY FRESH AND TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A STORY THAT I'M TELLING FOR CAREGIVERS OUT THERE WHO ARE IN THE AWED EXPENSE WHO ARE WATCHING.

I'M SO GRATEFUL TO GET TO BE ABLE TO TELL THIS STORY ABOUT HER.

>> YOU BOTH DO IT SO WELL.

I KNOW YOU WORKED ON THIS FOR 15 YEARS AND THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT NOW, 2025.

YOU THINK WE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE STEPS AHEAD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STEPS AHEAD WE ARE FROM 1970.

IT LEAVES AUDIENCE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT ALSO A LOT OF TIME FOR LAUGHS AS WELL.

IT'S A FANTASTIC PLAY.

WELL DONE BOTH OF YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.

YOU CAN SEE THE PLAY RIGHT NOW ON BROADWAY.

> >> NOW ITS BEEN SIX DAYS SINCE A SHOOTING AT BROWN UNIVERSITY THAT KILLED TWO STUDENTS AND INJURED NINE OTHERS.

IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO FACE EVEN ONCE YETTA LOAN TWICE.

NET MASS SHOOTINGS HAVE BECOME COMMONPLACE WHERE THERE MORE FIREARMS THAN PEOPLE.

THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 390 MASS SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR.

AS A CHILD ZOEY SURVIVED THE 2018 PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING AND THEN RELIEVED THAT TRAUMA AGAIN THIS PAST WEEKEND AS SHE HID IN HER DORM ROOM AT BROWN.

SHE SPEAKS TO MICHELLE MARTIN ABOUT WHY THIS IS BECOMING A SHARED EXPERIENCE FOR FAR TO MANY YOUNG AMERICANS.

>> THANKS.

ZOEY THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HOW YOU DOING TODAY?

>> YOU KNOW I'M DEFINITELY DOING BETTER NOW THAT I'M HOME.

IT WAS A VERY LONG WEEKEND.

I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF SETTING IN FOR A LOT OF MY CLASSMATES IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN THROUGH BEFORE.

I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO COPE WITH.

SO I MOSTLY FEEL THE ANGER RIGHT NOW.

>> IT'S SO CRAZY THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WHERE YOU CAN SAY, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.

JUST TO REMIND THAT YOU ARE A SOPHOMORE AT BROWN BUT YOU ALSO LIVE THROUGH THE SHOOTING IN PARKLAND, FLORIDA.

WHERE 17 STUDENTS AND TEACHER WAS KILLED AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SORT OF TRAUMATIZE.

THIS WEEKEND DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE LIKE WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT WAS HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND AT BROWN?

>> YEAH.

I WAS IN MY DORM.

I'M VERY FORTUNATE THAT'S WHERE I WAS.

I WAS IN MY ROOM.

I WOULD SAY MY DORM IS PROBABLY LIKE A FIVE MINUTE WALK FROM WHERE THE SHOOTING HAPPENED.

I WAS THINKING OF POSSIBLY GOING TO A LIBRARY WITH IN LIKE THE NEXT HALF HOUR AND THEN I GOT A CALL FROM MY FRIEND WHO WAS IN A DORM THAT'S CLOSER TO THE HALL AND SHE ASKED ME IF I WAS IN THAT BUILDING.

THE WAY SHE SAID IT SHE SOUNDED UPSET.

MY BRAIN WENT TO A SHOOTING I SAID I'M IN MY DORM.

WHAT HAPPENED?

WAS THERE A SHOOTER SHE DIDN'T RESPOND TO ME.

I COULD TELL SHE WAS LIKE HESITATING TO SAY THE WORDS.

I WAS LIKE YOU NEED TO TELL ME BECAUSE LIKE I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SHE SAID WELL, PEOPLE JUST RAN IN HERE AND SAID THERE WAS SOMEONE SHOOTING.

AT FIRST I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

YOU KNOW BECAUSE I THINK MY GENERATION IS PARANOID ABOUT THIS, RIGHTFULLY SO.

I WAS LIKE IT COULD BE A FALSE ALARM AND THEN I WOULD SAY A MINUTE OR TWO AFTER THAT I GOT THE TEXT AND CALL ALERT FROM THE SCHOOL AND THAT'S WHEN IT REALLY SET IN.

>> THE FACT THAT YOU SAID WHEN YOUR FRIEND FIRST CALLED YOU AND THAT'S KICKED KIND OF WHERE YOUR MIND WENT WAS THERE A SHOOTING.

WOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT'S WHERE YOUR MIND FIRST WENT.

>> YEAH.

>> DOES THAT STRIKE YOU?

>> YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN --I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE FACT THAT I DO HAVE PTSD FROM PARKLAND.

SO, LIKE, MY BRAIN WILL GO THERE FOR THING THAT IT'S NOT PROBABLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU ARE A FRIEND AT SCHOOL CALLS YOU I THINK THAT -- UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT ENTIRELY IRRATIONAL TO ASSUME THERE'S AN ACTIVE SHOOT.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT -- WHAT STEPS DID YOU TAKE?

>> YEAH.

ONCE THE SCHOOL SENT OUT THE ALERT WE WERE ALL AUTOMATICALLY ON LOCKDOWN.

SO THAT JUST BASICALLY MEANT I COULDN'T LEAVE MY ROOM OR THE BUILDING.

SO FOR ME THANKFULLY THAT JUST LOOKED LIKE ME STAYING IN MY DORM.

FOR A LOT OF MY FRIENDS IN ACADEMIC BUILDING THAT MEANT HAVING TO GATHER INTO A COMMON AREA AND WAIT FOR THE POLICE TO EVACUATE THEM WHICH IS A MORE FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE.

I WAS IN MY DORM FROM THE SHOOTING HAPPENED A LITTLE AFTER 4:00 P. M. UNTIL 6:00 A. M. THE NEXT MORNING WHEN IT LIFTED.

SO, I WAS THANKFULLY I HAD FOOD, I HAD WATER, THERE WAS A BATHROOM ACROSS THE HALL THAT I JUST RAN TO ONCE OR TWICE.

YOU KNOW NOT EVERYBODY WAS AS FORTUNATE AS ME.

SO I JUST STAYED IN THERE.

I WATCHED THE NEWS.

I WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH MY PARENTS AND MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

THEN THEY ALSO DID RECOMMEND FOR US TO BARRICADE OUR DOORS AND I KNEW BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SHOOTING WAS ISOLATED IN ONE BUILD THAT I DIDN'T FEELIMMINENTLY IN DANGER.

I DIDN'T WANT TO REGRET NOT BARRICADING SO I DID BUT THAT WAS MORE SO FROM PRECAUTION.

>> DID YOU FEEL THAT UNIVERSITY HANDLED THIS OKAY?

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE WAY THAT THEY COMMUNICATED YOU AND ALL OF THAT?

>> YEAH.

I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY PROUD OF HOW THE UNIVERSITY RESPONDED.

THERE'S OBVIOUS SO MUCH THE UNIVERSITY CAN DO TO PREPARE WHEN WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE GUN VIOLENCE IS SO PREVALENT.

I HAVE ALWAYS FELT SAFE AT THE SCHOOL THAT WAS SOMETHING I THOUGH ABOUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT COLLEGES BECAUSE OF MY HISTORY AND SO I DO THINK THAT THE SCHOOL HAS A GOOD BALANCE OF HAVING SECURITY WITHOUT MAKING US FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A PRISON THE ONE THING I THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO IMPROVE ON IS ADDING MORE CAMERAS.

IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER BUILDINGS AND THE ENGINEERING RESEARCH CENTER BUILT ON TO THE BUILDING NEWER THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING HAS CAMERAS BUT THE MAIN BUILDING DOESN'T WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW.

I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FIX THAT.

I HAVE ALWAYS FELT SAFE AT THE SCHOOL.

I ALSO THINK THE RESPONSE WAS REALLY GOOD FROM THE SCHOOL PROVIDING US RESOURCES.

I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION IN REGARDS TO THE POLICE RESPONSE ON CAMPUS.

THAT'S MORE SO BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS HAVING TO COMMUNICATE WAIT WITH EACH OTHER BEING THE ADMINISTRATION, THE BROWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PROVIDENCE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, THE FBI AND SO I THINK THERE'S WAR A LOT OF THE CONFUSION CAME FROM.

>> AGAIN, I'M LISTENING TO AND YOU ARE SAYING WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR COLLEGE TOUR DECIDING WHERE TO GO TO SCHOOL SECURITY WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOKED AT AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD DO THAT.

I'M NOT SURE.

>> NOR SHOULD THEY.

>> HOW DO YOU THINK LIVING THROUGH PARKLAND.

WERE YOU 12.

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT AFFECTED, YOU KNOW WHO ARE YOU ARE NOW AND HOW YOU SEE THINGS?

>> SO, I WAS IN A POSITION AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE I GOT STUCK OUTSIDE.

I WAS EXPOSED TO THE GUN SHOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I WAS ONE OF THE FEW MIDDLE SCHOOLER THAT HAD ONE OF THOSE MORE DIRECT EXPERIENCES BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GET INSIDE.

SO AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE I DID DEVELOP PTSD FROM IT AS I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN PARKLAND DID, EVEN PEOPLE WHO WERE INSIDE MY MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I I'M VERY HYPER AWARE.

KIND OF ALMOST PARANOID OF MY SURROUNDINGS.

ALWAYS PREPARING FOR THINGS BUT I HAVE GOTTEN TO A PLACE OVER THE PAST SEVEN, ALMOST EIGHT YEARS WHERE I'M ABLE TO STILL, YOU KNOW, LIVE MY LIFE AND ENJOY MYSELF PUT THAT IN THE BACKGROUND OF MY HEAD SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS CONSUMING MY EVERY DAY LIFE.

>> WHEN YOU WENT TO COLLEGE DID YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, THAT'S --YOU DID --AS YOU JUST SAID YOU THOUGHT OF WHAT'S THE SECURITY PLAN?

DOES THIS PLACE FEEL SAFE?

HOW WOULD I --WHERE WOULD I GO?

YOU WENT THROUGH THAT MENTAL PROCESS IN YOUR MIND.

DID YOU HONESTLY THINK YOU WOULD LIVE THROUGH THIS AGAIN?

>> YEAH.

I THINK THAT FOR THE MOST PART I DID NOT THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD EXPERIENCE AGAIN.

I THOUGHT THAT I --I HAD BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE AND THAT ALMOST GAVE ME A SENSE OF PROTECTION FROM IT HAPPENING AGAIN.

THE SAME TIME I KNEW THAT WAS MORE SO LIKE SOMETHING I WAS TELLING MYSELF TO KEEP MYSELF CALM BECAUSE I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH MASS SHOOTINGS.

I KNOW FRIENDS AT THE OXFORD HIGH SCHOOL AND MICHIGAN AND THEN WENT TO MICHIGAN STATE WHERE THERE WAS A MASS SHOOTING THERE.

I HAVE FRIEND FROM PARKLAND WHO GO TO FLORIDA STATE WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SCHOOLS IN THE STATE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MY TOWN GO AND THERE WAS A MASS SHOOTING THERE AS WELL.

EVEN SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN TO ME UNTIL IT DOES.

>> YOU GOT INVOLVED WITH -- GUN SAFETY AFTER PARKLAND AND A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE DID.

THERE WERE --YOU KNOW HUGE DEMONSTRATIONS.

DO YOU THINK IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE?

>> YEAH.

I THINK THAT SO --I WAS AND STILL AM A PART OF MARCH FOR LIVES WHICH IS THE MOVEMENT THAT CAME OUT OF THE SHOOTING IN PARKLAND AND I THINK THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF RED FLAG LAW THAT GOT PASSED AFTER WE STARTED SPEAKING UP ABOUT THINGS.

POLICY WISE AND THEN WE ARE WERE BIG PART OF THE BIPARTISAN BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN 2022.

I THINK ON A CULTURAL LEVEL WE HAD MORE IMPACT IN THE SENSE WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST STUDENT LED MOVEMENTS TO REALLY ADVOCATE FOR AN ISSUE THAT WAS IMPACTING THE GENERATION IN A UNIQUE WAY AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE FOREFRONT, I THIS I FOR THE POST FEW DECADES.

IT'S BECOME AN ACCEPTED FACET AND I THINK THE MOVEMENT AFTER PARKLAND BROUGHT BACK THIS IDEA THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT AS THE NORMAL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF WANT TO RESTART AFTER THIS THE TIMING IS A LITTLE UNIQUE BECAUSE WE WERE ABOUT TO GO ON WINTER BREAK.

NOW IT JUST STARTED EARLY.

IT'S MY GOAL TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ABLE TO USE THIS MOMENT TO ADVOCATE FOR MY COMMUNITY SO THAT NO ONE HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND I DON'T HAVE TO SHARE THIS WITH MORE PEOPLE.

>> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DEGREE TO WHICH EXPOSURE TO GUN VIOLENCE IS A FEATURE OF YOUR YOUTH?

DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE GET HOW MUCH OF A GENERATION ALT ISSUE IS THIS?

>> YEAH I DO UNDERSTAND THAT TO AN EXTENT IF YOU AREN'T IN MY GENERATION IT CAN BE HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT HAS HAD ON IT.

I'M THE SAME AGE AS A LOT OF THE KID WHOSE WERE KILLED IN THE SANDY HOOK SHOOTING.

I WAS IN FIRST GRADE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

I REMEMBER MY SCHOOL PRACTICING LOCKDOWN DRILLS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SO ENGRAIN, D INTO OUR YOUTH AND CHILDHOOD THAT IS HARD FOR PEOPLE --IT IS A RELATIVELY NEW THING IN THE SENSE THAT ITS BEEN A MAIN ISSUE FOR THE PAST FEW DECADES.

THE SAME TIME I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REALLY DEMONSTRATE JUST HOW MUCH GUN VIOLENCE CAN HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT IN COMMUNITIES.

OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE KILLED PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE JOIN IRED.

FOR EXAMPLE MY COMMUNITY OF PARKLAND.

MOST PEOPLE WEREN'T SHOT OR KILLED.

YET THIS IS STILL SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS MY COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.

I GO INTO RESTAURANTS AND I SEE SIGNS ABOUT THE SHOOTING.

YOU KNOW ITS SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS ON THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MIND MINDS AND THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AREL FOG ANY OF THE --DETAILS AROUND THE INVESTIGATION SO FORTH.

AUTHORITIES --THE FBI FIRST SAID THERE WAS SOMEONE IN CUSTODY.

THERE WAS BRIEFLY BUT A PERSON OF INTEREST BUT THIS PERSON HAS BEEN RELEASED BECAUSE THEY ARE CONVINCED THIS PERSON IS NOT THE POSSIBLE PARTY.

I JUST WONDER IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THIS INVESTIGATION IS PROCEEDING.

>> YEAH.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A --LIKE A --I'M NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

I DIDN'T SPEAK TO THE INVESTIGATION.

I WILL SAY THAT I DO THINK THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION BREAK DOWN BETWEEN THE AUTHORITIES AND THE BROWN COMMUNITY AND STUDENTS THEMSELVES.

I THINK THAT THE CONFUSION AROUND THE PERSON OF INTEREST AND THE FACT THAT'S FBI RELEASED THAT INFORMATION WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAUSED A LOT OF CHAOS AND CONFUSION ON CAMPUS.

I WAS STILL IN THE RHODE ISLAND AREA WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THE PERSON OF INTEREST WAS RELEASED.

I WAS OFF CAMPUS.

LOT OF MY FRIENDS THAT CAUSE SOD MUCH PARANOIA.

THERE WERE FALSE REPORTS OF SHOTS FIRED DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

THERE'S BEEN A COMMUNICATION BREAK DOWN BETWEEN LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS AND STUDENTS IN THE BROADER PROVIDENCE COMMUNITY.

AT THE SAME TIME IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WHOEVER THIS SUSPECT IS PREPARED WELL AHEAD OF TIME.

THEY CLEARLY KNEW THE AREA.

THEY KNEW THE FACT THAT IT'S BUILDING IS ON THE EDGE OF CAMPUS AND EXITS IN TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH NOT MUCH PUBLIC BUILDINGS OR CAMERAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST ENTIRELY HOUSES.

THEY WERE EVEN CASING THE AREA HOURS BEFORE.

IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THIS PERSON KNEW THE AREA WELL AND PREPARED WELL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INVESTIGATION MIGHT TAKE LONGER THAN WE WANT AND HE WITH MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW ALL OF THE INFORMATION BUT THE SAME TIME I DO THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY DID DESERVE MORE INFORMATION AND MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION THAN WE WERE GIVEN.

>> NOW HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION.

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS KEEPS HAPPENING?

>> I THINK THE ONLY COMMON THING THAT WE ARE SEEING ACROSS ALL OF THESE ACTS OF GUN VIOLENCE IS ACCESS TO GUNS.

WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE GUNS OUT NUMBER PEOPLE.

THERE'S MORE GUNS IN CIRCULATION IN AMERICA THAN THERE ARE AMERICANS.

THAT MEANS OVER 300 MILLION GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY.

BECAUSE OF HOW LSX FEDERAL REGULATIONS ARE EVEN IN STATES WITH RHODE ISLAND THAT HAVE AMAZING GUN LAWS THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH STATE CAN DO TO PROTECT AGAINST HOW RELAXED THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS AROUND GUNS.

PEOPLE CAN CROUSE CROUSE STATE LINES.

THEY ARE --PRIVATE SALES AREN'T REGULATED.

THERE'S GHOST GUNS.

WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC SHOOTING YOU WILL I BY THAT THE ONLY COMMON THING THAT WE ARE SEEING ACROSS ALL THE ACTS MOTIVATIONS MAY BE DIFFERENT, WHETHER THAT BE SUICIDE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, EVERY DAY GUN VIOLENCE OR MASS SHOOTINGS, THOSE IDEAS ARE DIFFERENT, MOTIVATIONS DIFFERENT.

THE PEOPLE ARE WILDLY DIFFERENT BUT THE ONE THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS PEOPLE HAVING ACCESS TO GUN WHEN IS THEY SHOULDN'T.

SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO NEEDING TO PASS FEDERAL GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION LAWS.

>> I'M CURIOUS GIVEN ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DID OVER THE YEARS WITH AROUND --DO YOU HAVE A THEORY ABOUT WHY IT IS THAT WE ARE WILLING TO TOLERATE THIS LEVEL OF GUN VIOLENCE?

>> I THINK THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE GUN RIGHTS IN THE COUNTRY'S CONSTITUTION IS SOMETHING WE DON'T SEE IN OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES AND IS SOMETHING THAT THE UNDERSTANDING HAS LED TO THE FREE FLOW OF GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY.

I THINK THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD AS A MEANS OF DEFENDING AGAINST A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT IN THE FORM OF MILITISA NOT NECESSARILY FOR EVERY DAY AMERICANS TO HAVE A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DIDN'T EXIST 300 YEARS AGO.

AT THE SAME TIME REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU THEIRS IT'S WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HAVE THAT RIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND I THINK THAT'S LED TO THIS CULTURE WHERE GUNS KIND OF ALMOST WORSHIPED IN A SENSE.

WHERE GUNS ARE SEEN AS MORE VALUABLE THAN HUMAN LIVES AND THEN I ALSO THINK ON A POLITICAL LEVEL AT THE END OF THE DAY IT COMES DOWN TO CORPORATE GREED AND MONEY WE SEE GUN LOBBYING GROUPS HAVE LINE THE POCKETS OF POLITICIAN WAS BLOOD MONEY THEY SPEND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR TO ENSURE THAT THEIR BOTTOM LINE, THE BOTTOM LINE OF GUNMAN FACTORS STAYS THE SAME.

YOU SEE THE POLITICIANS PRIORITIZING MONEY OVER PEOPLE AND PEOPLE KIND OF HAVING THIS REALLY WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF GUNS IN THE COUNTRY.

SOMETHING WE DON'T REALLY SEE IN OTHER NATIONS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THIS RIGHT IN THEIR CONSTITUTION.

>> DO YOU EVER SEE THIS CHANGING TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN YOU TAKE --I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO HAVE KIDS BUT IF YOU TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER ON HER COLLEGE TORE ARE FOR YOU WON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A SECURITY PLAN?

DO YOU SEE THIS CHANGE?

>> YEAH.

I DO WANT TO HAVE KIDS.

I HAVE A YOUNGER SISTER WHO WILL GO TO COLLEGE NEXT YEAR.

SO THAT SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT.

YOU KNOW IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET VERY HOPELESS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE FACT THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN LITTLE TO NO PROGRESS.

THE FACT THAT WHEN I SPEAK OUT IN TIMES LIKE THIS INSTEAD OF --I GET A LOT OF SUPPORT BUT I GET A LOT OF HATE AND ALSO -- FOR THINGS I CAN'T ROLL.

THE FACT I'M A QUEER PERSON AND JEWISH.

THEN I THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SENT ME SO MANY SUPPORTIVE MESSAGES AND THE REAL CHANGES PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION ARE ABLE TO SECURE POSITIONS OF POWER.

WE SEE PEOPLE LIKE MAX FROST.

SHE IS AN AMAZING EXAMPLE OF HOW MY GENERATION WILL SHAPE THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE IN THIS COUNTRY.

I THINK UNTIL THIS COUNTRY REALIZES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE GROUP THAT'S REALLY HAVING A SAY SOON, I THINK THAT WILL BE THE POINT WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO TURN THE TIDN REGARDS TO GUN VIOLENCE.

>> ARE YOU PLANNING TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL?

>> I AM.

YOU KNOW --I FEEL SAFE AT BROWN.

I THINK PART IS THAT MY DEFINITION OF SAFETY HAS BEEN FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

I'M AT A BASELINE OF HYPE AWARENESS.

BROWN IS A HAPPY AND WARM AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT.

ESPECIALLY IN THE WORLD OF IVY LEAGUE INSTITUTIONS.

I HAVE NEVER FELT THAT AT BROWN.

I THINK --I'M ALREADY EXCITED TO GO BACK AFTER BREAK AND TAKE MY CLASSES AND BE WITH MY COMMUNITY TO MOURN TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE REAL IMPACTS.

ANOTHER GREAT THING IS WE ARE POLITICAL ACTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES AND SO I THINK THAT --THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING US TOGETHER AND MOTIVATE US TO CREATE CHANGE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING TO US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

> >> AND FINALLY A DISCOVERY FOR THE AGES.

MORE THAN 200 MILLION YEARS AGO DINOSAURS ROOMED IN AN AREA IN WHAT IS NOW THE ITALIAN ALPS LEAVING BEHIND THOUSANDS OF FOOT PRINTS, UNSEEN UNTIL NOW.

A PHOTOGRAPHER HAPPENED ON THEM BY ACCIDENT AND THE SCIENCE WORLD IS THANKFUL HE DID.

THE SITE IS NOW ONE OF THE WORLD'S OLDEST AND LARGEST KNOWN COLLECTIONS OF FINDINGS SO SIGNIFICANT ONE EXPERT SAID THIS TIME REALITY REALLY SURPASSES FANTASY.

AMAZING.

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