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>>> COMING UP ON "ALMANAC," WE'VE GOT A LOT OF POLITICS FOR YOU TONIGHT FROM TURMOIL IN MINNEAPOLIS TO STATE POLITICAL CONVENTIONS TO THE LATEST FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

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♪ ♪ >>> WELCOME TO "ALMANAC."

WE HAVE A FULL HOUR FOR YOU TONIGHT.

THE BIGGEST SURPRISE STORY OF THE WEEK HIT TUESDAY NIGHT WHEN MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR JAKUB FRY ANNOUNCED THE RESIGNATION OF FORMER POLITICIAN CHIEF BRIAN O'HARA.

WE'LL TALK WITH KEY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A HISTORIAN ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT.

TWO RECENTLY RETIRED LEGENDARY METEOROLOGISTS STOP BY, AND WE'LL ROUND OUT THE HOUR WITH A SPECIAL EDITION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL.

>>> ALL RIGHT.

BUT WE START TONIGHT WITH NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL POLITICS.

THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ REMAINS CLOSED.

PRESIDENT TRUMP BACKED REPUBLICAN PRIMARY CANDIDATES 3 CONTINUE TO KNOCK OFF SITTING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS FROZEN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S $1.8 BILLION PAYOUT FUND.

LARRY JACOBS HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR POLITICS AT THE U OF M'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, PROFESSOR.

THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT DAY.

I MENTIONED THAT THE BILLION-DOLLAR PAYOUT FUND HAS BEEN TEMPORARILY FROZEN AND HE HAS TAKEN HIS NAME OFF THE CENTER, ACCORDING TO ANOTHER JUDGE.

>>> DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO PICK FIGHTS.

AND AT THIS POINT, PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING BACK, AND WE'RE SEEING JUDGES DOING THAT.

WE'RE SEEING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

I MEAN, THERE ARE REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND HOUSE MEMBERS WHO, DESPITE EVERYTHING, YOU KNEE, THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, ARE PUSHING BACK.

AND NOT FOLLOWING HIS LEAD.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE AT A CUSP, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS WHERE FOLKS WILL BE MAKING JUDGMENTS BASED ON THEIR INTERESTS.

>>> WHY DO YOU THINK SOME OF THESE FOLKS FEEL MORE EMBOLDENED NOW?

IS IT BECAUSE HE LOOKS WOUNDED WITH THE POLLING NUMBERS?

>>> CERTAINLY, REPUBLICANS ARE TERRIFIED THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS GOT APPROVAL RATINGS IN THE MID 30s.

HIS APPROVAL RATINGS AMONG INSPECT ATTENTION, IT'S IN THE 20s.

REPUBLICANS ARE SUPPORTIVE, BUT THEIR ENTHUSIASM TO TURN OUT AND ACTUALLY VOTE, YOU KNOW, IS CLOUDY.

SO I THINK LL OF THAT IS CONTRIBUTING.

AND HEN DONALD TRUMP CONTINUALLY TAKES ON ISSUES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, FUND THEY SET UP WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE IRAN WAR, AND MANY OTHERS THAT ARE HURTING REPUBLICANS.

SO, YES, I THINK THERE IS A WILLINGNESS TO PICK SPOTS.

>>> DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF TELL US WHO WON AND LOST IN THE MIDTERM REDISTRICTING BALLOTS?

>>> OH, YEAH.

NO DOUBT, THE REPUBLICANS WON.

I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY WILL PICK UP SOMEWHERE AROUND TEN SEATS.

AND, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS HAD HOPED TO PICK UP SEATS IN VIRGINIA, BUT THE COURT STOPPED THAT.

NOW, THE ISSUE IS WILL DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL PROBLEMS, PARTICULARLY LOW APPROVAL RATINGS, BE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT IT'S GOING TO OVERCOME THAT ADVANTAGE REPUBLICANS HAVE IN REDISTRICTING ASK STILL LEAD THE DEMOCRATS TO TAKE THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

>>> APPARENTLY, THE STATE CONSTITUTION RULES THAT ANY KIND OF MID-TERM REDISTRICTING WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN MINNESOTA, FROM WHAT I GATHER.

>>> YEAH.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH SERIOUS EFFORTS TO GO THAT DIRECTION IN MINNESOTA.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE SFU HRE.

>>> I KNOW YOU SAID THAT IN OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION HERE THAT THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW FEELING A LITTLE MORE EMBOLDENED TO TO THE PRESIDENT.

YET WE SEE THE PRIMARY RSULTS.

THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY HAS KIND OF A STRANGLEHOLD ON THE PARTY.

SO WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>>> WELL, THERE'S A PARADOX HERE.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS AN ENFORCER AND WE SAW IN TEXAS THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, PACKSTON, JUST BLOW AWAY THE LONG-TIME INCUMBENT, JOHN CORNYN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A TERRIFYING MESSAGE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

BUT AS DONALD TRUMP DOES THAT, HE ALSO IS WEAKENING THE PARTY'S POSITIONING.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, IN TEXAS, PACKSTON IS GOING TO NEED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO WIN THAT RACE.

IT'S GOING TO BE RISKY, OR AT LEAST COMPETITIVE WHERE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WITH CORNYN.

THEY ALREADY SPENT $135 MILLION IN TEXAS JUST ON THE PRIMARY.

AND ALL OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP.

SO YOU WONDER, YOU KNOW, WOULD OLYMPIA SNOWE IN MAINE LIKE SOME OF THAT MONEY.

BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY COMPETITIVE RACE.

>>> JOE BIDEN'S BOOK, IN WHICH SHE SAYS SHE WAS AFRAID FOR HER HUSBAND ON THE NOTORIOUS DEBATE NIGHT AND THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE HAD A STROKE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE DEMOCRATS ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS STORY REKINDLED.

>>> I WAS TALKING TO A DEMOCRATIC CONSULTANT, AND I ASKED THEM ABOUT THIS.

HE SAID, WILL THEY EVER GO AWAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS FEEL LIKE THEY WANT IT TO BE ONLY ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THIS AS NATIONAL REFERENDUM EVERY RACE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

INCLUDING HERE IN MINNESOTA.

AND WHENEVER THE BIDENS KIND OF POP YOU VP UP, THEY DISTRACT THAT NARRATIVE.

>>> INTERESTING.

BEFORE YOU GO HERE, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DULUTH AND ALSO ROCHESTER WITH THE STATE DFL AND REPUBLICAN CONVENTIONS?

>>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- IT'S A PATTERN WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHICH IS THE FOLKS WHO ARE THE ACTIVISTS IN THE PARTY, WHICH ARE VERY SMALL PERCENT, YOU KNOW -- MAYBE SPAIN 5% OF THE ELECTORATE THAT WILL TURN OUT.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DRIVING THE ENDORSING.

AND THEY'RE CHOOSING CANDIDATES WHO ARE FURTHER TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT THAN MOST MINNESOTANS WANT TO SEE.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO A PRIMARY, WHICH ALSO TILTS A BIT, YOU KNOW, LEFT AND RIGHT.

BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH.

SO I THINK YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW -- BOTH PARTIES, THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE A BIT MORE IN THE MODERATE RANGE U YOU KNOW, JUST SKIPPING THE ENDORSING PROCESS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO A PRIMARY AND FIGHT THIS OUT.

AND IT JUST MAKES YOU WONDER WHY DO WE HAVE A PRIMARY.

IT JUST -- IT SEEMS TO BE EMPOWERING THE EXTREMISTS.

>>> IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE TOMORROW, WOULD IT BE VANCE VERSUS NEWSOME?

THIS IS WAY TOO EARLY BUT WHY NOT.

>>> VANCE WILL BE IN THE MIX, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN IRAN.

THAT WILL BE A BLEMISH ON THE ADMINISTRATION.

THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT VANCE WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR.

IN TERMS OF THE DEMOCRATS, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2007, WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT BARACK OBAMA AS A SERIOUS CANDIDATE?

>>> ANTIBIOTIC.

>>> SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW WHO THAT CANDIDATE IS GOING TO BE.

>>> WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>>> APPRECIATE IT.

♪ ♪ UR ♪ >>> MINNEAPOLIS CITY POLITICS, POLICING AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONTINUE TO MAKE HEADLINES.

MAYOR JAKUB FRY HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE TUESDAY NIGHT, ANNOUNCING THE RESIGNATION OF BRIAN O'HARA.

THE RESIGNATION AME AFTER THE MAYOR NOTIFIED THE CHIEF THAT HE WAS FACING DISCIPLINE FOR TAMPERING WITH A SEXUAL MIMPERING WITH A SEXUAL MISCERING WITH A SEXUAL MISCONING WITH A SEXUAL MISCONDUG WITH A SEXUAL MISCONDUCTWITH A SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ITH A SEXUAL MISCONDUCT INV A SEXUAL MISCONDUCT INVES SEXUAL MISCONDUCT INVESTIEXUAL MISCONDUCT INVESTIGAUAL MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATIL MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATION.

NOW THAT INVESTIGATION DID NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE MISCONDUCT CLAIMS AGAINST THE CHIEF, BUT A SECOND INVESTIGATION FOUND THE TAMPERING.

O'HARA'S CITY COUNCIL NOMINATION HEARING WAS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK.

>>> CITY COUNCIL PRETZEL NOT PAYNE REPRESENTS PART OF NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS AND HAS BEEN PUBLICLY CRITICAL OF THE ANYWAY YOUR.

HE'S A FREQUENT ALLY OF THE MAYOR'S, BUT HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHIEF BEFORE THE TAMPERING WAS VERIFIED.

A QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE START HERE.

WE DID INVITE MAYOR FREY TO JOIN US.

HE DECLINED.

Mr.

PRESIDENT, THIS LETTER THAT THE MAYOR SENT TO CHIEF O'HARA HIGHLY CRITICAL, ACCUSING HIM F INTERFERING WITH AN INVESTIGATION, OF BREACH OF TRUST, UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR.

THE LIST GOES ON.

AND I'M WONDERING, WHY THE MAYOR HAD RENOMINATED THE CHIEF, GIVEN THAT SET OF COMMENTS.

>>> THAT'S THE $20 MILLION QUESTION.

THERE WAS A LOT THAT WE KNEW ABOUT THE CHIEF.

THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS RUMORED AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE A DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATING THOSE RUMORS.

WE WERE NOT REALLY IN LIGHT WITH WHAT THE DETAILS OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS WERE.

BUT THE MAYOR SHOULD BE VERY HANDS-ON AND UNDERSTANDING THE TOTALITY, HETHER THAT'S HIS CONDUCT INVESTIGATION, HIS MANAGEMENT OF THE BUDGET, HIS RESPONSE TO THE METRO SURGE.

AND USE THAT AS A TOTAL ANALYSIS ON WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD GET THE NOMINATION, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY GENUINELY SURPRISING TO ME THAT HE NOMINATED HIM WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE.

>>> WHEN -- ON THE HEARING THAT TALKED ABOUT THE CHIEF, PEOPLE WERE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT YOU WERE NOT FOR THE CHIEF'S RENOMINATION.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

>>> WELL, SO WHAT WE'RE IN CHARGE OF IS -- THIS IS A JOB REVIEW.

AND I HAD QUESTIONS.

AND I DID PPROACH WITH THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND HE TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NO PROOF.

THAT HESE ARE ALL RUMORS.

THEY'RE ANONYMOUS ALLEGATIONS.

BUT I STILL HAD QUESTIONS.

AND THE AYOR DID PROMISE ME THAT IF HE GOT PROOF THAT THERE WAS MISCONDUCT, HE WOULD ACT IMMEDIATELY.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.

SO THE MAYOR DID A GREAT JOB, IN MY OPINION.

HE DID -- THERE'S PRIVACY ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND YOU CAN'T VOTE ON RUMORS AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

>>> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION.

BUT I'M KIND OF WONDERING, THE CITY PAID A PRIVATE LAW FIRM TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION, THESE INVESTIGATIONS, HOW DOES THE CITY PAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT THE COUNCIL KNOWING?

>>> SO, IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WAS PART OF A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE TO IMAGINE HR ISSUES, LEGAL ISSUES.

SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COME TO US FOR A VOTE FOR A CONTRACT APPROVAL.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THE MAYOR KNEW THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS REOPENED AFTER LEARNING NEW INFORMATION BACK IN DECEMBER.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE OF HIM TO WAIT UNTIL THAT INVESTIGATION WAS CONCLUDED BEFORE BRINGING A NOMINATION FORWARD.

AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, WHAT WAS THE RUSH.

>>> WELL, AND SO I SEE IT DIFFERENTLY, AS WELL.

YOU -- THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT HE WOULD ACT UPON THE COMPLETION OF THE INVESTIGATION.

IT WAS COMPLETED, HE GOT THE REPORT IN THE MORNING BY THAT AFTERNOON.

THE CHIEF WAS SHOWN THE REPORT, ALLOWED TO READ IT.

AND HE RESIGNED IMMEDIATELY.

SO IN MY OPINION, THE MAYOR DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.

>>> CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING?

SO TODD BARNETT, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY, WAS CHIEF O'HARA'S BOSS.

WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER'S LEADERSHIP THAT THIS WENT ON?

>>> YOU RAISE THE QUESTION OF THE HOUR, CATHY.

SO WHO SUPERVISES THE CHIEF?

IT HAD BEEN THE MAYOR, UP UNTIL THE NEW STRUCTURE, THE NEW GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE.

AND NOW IS IT THE COMMISSIONER?

OR IS IT THE MAYOR?

>>> ISN'T IT PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE CHARTER SAYS THE MAYOR IS IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>>> THIS IS THE CON DRUM.

THE CHARTER COMMISSION OPPOSED A STRONG LAYER SYSTEM UNDER THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE IS TOO MANY BOSSES AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH CLARITY OF DIRECTION, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CLARITY OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.

SO HOW DO WE ARRIVE HERE WITH THAT CLARITY THAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION PROPOSED?

APPROXIMATE WITH -- TO BE CLEAR -- BARNETT WAS THE FORMER HEAD JUDGE OF HENNEPIN COUNTY WHO APPOINTED MANY OF THOSE CHARTER COMMISSION MEMBERS.

AND SO IT -- THERE IS AN ENTANGLEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE UNPACKED AROUND HOW ARE WE ACHIEVING THE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WITH THAT GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE CHANGE WITH A ORMER JUDGE WHO APPOINTED THE MEMBERS THAT ADVOCATED FOR THAT, WHILE THEY'RE CURRENTLY TRYING TO STRIP OUR APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY RIGHT NOW.

>>> AND WE SHOULD ALSO ADD FOR LISTENERS IN GREATER MINNESOTA, TOO, THE RENOMINATION OF THE COMMISSIONER IS STILL HANGING IN THE BALANCE, RIGHT?

>>> IT'S UP IN THE BALANCE.

WE VOTED TWICE NOW.

AND 7/6 VOTES BOTH TIMES TO NOT APPROVE HIS APPOINTMENT.

THE MAYOR VETOED BOTH F THESE DECISIONS AND THAT VETO IS UPHELD.

SO WE'LL BE VOTING ON THAT AGAIN.

>>> TO ADVANCE THE STORY, QUALITIES YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A NEW CHIEF.

>>> INTEGRITY, WOULD BE A VERY GOOD STARTING POINT.

AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS A REALLY EGREGIOUS LACK OF INTEGRITY TO HAVE THAT SUBSTANTIATED EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD INTERFERED IN AN INVESTIGATION.

AND I THINK AS WE'RE REBUILDING3 TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO SEE THAT INTEGRITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY EMBODIED IN THAT NEW LEADER.

>>> SO CHIEF O'HARA WAS DOING A GREAT JOB, YOU KNOW, HE WAS THE RIGHT PERSON AT THE RIGHT TIME.

THE MORALE -- HE BOOSTED THE MORALE, THE RECRUITMENT WAS ON THE YUP RISE.

THOSE WERE VERY GOOD QUALITIES.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE FAILED.

HIS HUMANNESS SHOWED.

AND THAT SHOULD NEVER BE A REFLECTION ON THE FORCE ITSELF.

ONE PERSON DOES NOT DICTATE THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THOSE BRAVE WOMEN AND MEN SERVE US EVERY DAY.

THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED BY ABOUT HALF.

AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

THE NEW CHIEF WILL INHERIT A FORCE THAT IS UNDERSTAFFED, BUT WE -- I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT PAYNE.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE INTEGRITY, COMMUNITY TRUST IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

>>> NOW, YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF THE CHIEF'S, RIGHT?

>>> I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT.

I HAD A VERY FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHIEF.

>>> OKAY.

>>> AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION THAN UST ONE HEROIC FIGURE THAT IS GOING TO SOLVE ALL OF OUR POLICE REFORM PROBLEMS.

AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN FOR MANY CHIEFS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE FACED.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY EMBRACE THE FULL HUMANITY OF THESE LEADERS AND HAVE AN ABILITY TO ACTUALLY HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT, AND WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT RUMORS, INVESTIGATE THEM, AND PROBABLY PUT THEM ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, EVEN IF THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD OPTICALLY.

THOSE BAD OPPOSICS ARE SERVING THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SET THOSE TYPES OF OPTICS-BASED CONSIDERATIONS ASIDE THAT WE CAN GET TO A DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THAT IS FAIR AND JUST TO THE SUBJECT BUT ALSO PROTECTS THOSE WITNESSES AND DMIB ELSE WHO MIGHT BE INVOLVED.

>>> WHO ADVANCES A LIST OF NOMINEE -- POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO WHOM?

DOES THE COUNCIL SEND T TO THE MAYOR?

>>> UNDER THE CITY CHARTER, THE MAYOR ADVANCES IT TO THE COUNCIL.

>>> IS THERE A TIMELINE?

>>> 30 DAYS FOR THE INTERN MAYOR.

THERE IS USUALLY NOT A TIMELINE FOR THE FULL-TIME MAYOR.

>>> WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT KATIE BLACK WELL, THE ACTING CHIEF?

>>> I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN ER FOR THIS TRANSITION PERIOD, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE AN EXPANSIVE VIEW OF DEFINING THE ROLE SO WE ARE PICKING THE RIGHT LEADER FOR THE LONG LONG-TERM.

>>> AND WOULD SHE BE A CANDIDATE FOR CHIEF?

>>> WE'LL SEE AFTER SHE GETS A TASTE OF THE APPLE IF SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE ON, RIGHT?

>>> I'M WONDERING FOR THE RANK AND FILE OFFICERS, I WONDER WHAT KIND OF -- I WONDER HOW MUCH THOSE SORTS OF LEADERSHIP CHANGES AFFECT RANK AND FILE OFFICERS.

>>> I'VE HAD A OT OF CALLS AND CONVERSATIONS.

I GET ALONG GREAT WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN SPORTS, THEY HAVE A SAYING, NEXT MAN UP.

IF SOMEONE GETS HURT OR INJURED, YOU JUST GO.

AND THE AVERAGE POLICE OFFICER PROBABLY -- IN A 30-YEAR CAREER WOULD HAVE SIX, SEVEN CHIEFS.

SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

THE AVERAGE TENURE OF A BIG CITY CHIEF IS FIVE YEARS.

HE SERVED THREE-AND-A-HALF.

>>> OKAY.

>>> AND IS IT IS THE DEPARTMENT BETTER OR WORSE FOR O'HARA'S SERVICE?

>>> IT'S A MIXED RESULT.

BECAUSE I THINK AS COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE SAID, WE HAD SOME SUCCESSES WITH RECRUITMENT, SOME WITH MORALE.

WE DID IMPLEMENT SOME MEANINGFUL REFORMS EARLY ON WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, BUT WE GOT SOME OF THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT DONE AND NOW ARE TIPPING INTO THE REAL, DEEP, HARD WORK OF TRAINING AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE HE WAS FALLING A LITTLE BIT SHORT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT LEADER.

>>> APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OVER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> ALWAYS GOOD TO COME TO ST.

PAUL.

>>> THANK YOU.

♪ >>> WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICING IN MINNEAPOLIS WITH UNIVERSITY OF ST.

PAUL THOMAS HISTORIAN WILLIAMS.

THE DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL'S RACIAL JUSTICE INITIATIVES.

ONE OF HIS AREAS OF EXPERTISE S THE ISTORY OF POLICING IN THE TWIN CITIES.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO.

HE FELT THAT THE CHIEF'S TENURE WAS KIND OF A MIXED BAG, THAT SOME OF THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT WAS DONE.

BUT THE HARDEST WORK IS STILL AHEAD.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT CHIEF O'HARA DID, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON IT?

>>> I THINK THAT TAKE IS VERY ACCURATE.

BECAUSE CHIEF O'HARA, IF WE THINK ABOUT WHAT HE INHERITED AS CHIEF, WAS COMING INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE WERE A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND HE HAD TO NAVIGATE BOTH THE POTENTIAL FOR A FEDERAL CONSENT DECREE, THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS, LOW MARRIAL AMONG OFFICERS, DEEP DISTRUST AND THE LEGACY OF THE MURDER OF GEORG FLOYD.

AND THEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATION OF METRO SURGE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT IT IN THAT CONTEXT, THERE IS A LOT TO CELEBRATE, CONCERNS OF THAT LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE SPOKE TO.

MORALE IS UP, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS IS UP, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S QUESTIONABLE, BUT THE FACT THAT MATTERS WE'RE ABOUT 640 OR I HEARD MAY YEAR FREY SAY EARLIER THIS WEEK.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THOSE METRICS AND WE THINK ABOUT AT LEAST THOSE FIRST TWO REPORTS FROM AFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ALL ON THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF UMAN RIGHTS CONSENT DECREE, THERE SEEM TO BE PROGRESS AND MOMENTUM.

THIS MOST RECENT REPORT FROM A.L.

I.

F.A., HOWEVER, IS NOW LOOKING SOME OF THAT PROGRESS MAY ACTUALLY BE MOVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

>>> WHAT DOES THE CITY HAVE TO OFFER A NEW POLICE CHIEF?

HOW DO YOU SELL THIS OPENING TO A NATIONWIDE SURGE?

>>> I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE SENSITIVITY AROUND WHY MAYOR FREY MAY NOT HAVE TAKEN ACTION.

THE LAST TIME I WAS WITH BOTH OF YOU WAS THIS TIME LAST YEAR, SHORTLY AFTER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT OF THAT CONSENT DECREE WITH REGARD TO GEORG FLOYD.

AND YOU HEARD MAYOR FREY MAKE A FULL THROATED COMMITMENT TO CONTINUING WORK WITH POLICE REFORM.

FOR BETTER OR WORSE, BRIAN O'HARA WAS THE FACE OF THAT, AND MANY PEOPLE FELT WAS DOING A GOOD JOB.

SO TO PULL HIM OUT MAY HAVE FELT LIKE, IN ADDITION O THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH NOT EXTENDING DUE PROCESS, MAY HAVE FELT LIKE PULLING BACK ON THAT REFORM EFFORT AND THE PERSON WHO WAS AT THE FOREFRONT OF IT.

SO TO BE GENEROUS TO MAYOR FREY IN THAT SENSE, A LOT MAY HAVE BEEN ABOUT IF YOU DO THIS, ARE YOU GOING TO IN SOME SENSE HURT THAT PROCESS TOWARD REFORM BY THANKS OUT THE LEGS.

>>> WHY AS A HISTORIAN NOW, YOU STUDY AT THE DEPARTMENT, WHY DOES IT SEEM TO BE SUCH A MESS?

I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A RIGHT PHRASE TO USE.

BUT YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE LEADERSHIP IN THE PAST.

THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE THIS KIND OF STOP/START.

IT'S HARD TO GET MOMENTUM GOING.

WHY IS THAT?

>>> I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

AND I THINK PART OF IT IS THE CULTURE.

AND WE SAW THIS IN THIS MOST RECENT REPORT FROM ALIFA, ONCE THEY RELEASED THAT REPORT, WHICH COVERS THE PERIOD FROM APRIL 1ST TRUE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CULTURE IN DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO BE RESIST O REFORM.

AND SO WHEN COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE SAYS THIS IS THE HARD WORK, THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT IS DONE, WHEN ONLY 6 OF THE 16 POLICY CHANGES HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, WHEN OFFICERS ARE STILL - REBECCA LUCERO FROM THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION SAYS.

IF OFFICERS DON'T HAVE FULLY WRITTEN AND EXECUTED POLICIES, HOW CAN YOU HAVE REAL ACCOUNTABILITY?

THOSE ARE REAL CHALLENGES.

THIS IS WHERE THE REAL WORK WAS BEGINNING.

AND SO I WORRY IN THIS MOMENT AS WE HAVE THIS NATIONAL SURGE THAT MIGHT BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO FINDING SOMEONE WHO 79S TO TAKE ON THAT LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY.

>>> AROUND THE COUNTRY, WHAT IS THE LIFE SPAN OF CHIEFS?

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE A CONSTANT, ONGOING LAN TO REFORM IF THEY'RE CHANGING CHIEFS EVERY FEW YEARS.

>>> VERY TRUE.

AND COUNCIL PERSON RAINVILLE SPOKE TO THIS.

THREE TO FIVE YEARS IS THE AVERAGE.

AND YOU ACTUALLY DON'T WANT YOUR CHIEF IN THAT LNG.

BECAUSE YOU DO WANT THAT KIND OF -- YOU DON'T WANT LEADERSHIP TO STAGNATE.

SO FIVE YEARS IS AN AVERAGE AND IS PRETTY GOOD.

IN BIG CITIES, THAT TURNOVER TENDS TO BE GREATER.

HERE IN PARTICULAR, MINNEAPOLIS WAS PROBLEMATIC IN THE SENSE YOU HAD THE LEGACY OF GEORG FLOYD, BUT ALSO EXCITING, I THINK, FOR SOMEONE LIKE O'HARA WITH THAT REFORM BACKGROUND.

LET'S HOPE THERE ARE CHIEFS OUT THERE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS COMMUNITY AND SAYING I CAN BUILD ON THAT WORK.

AND IT'S AN INVITATION FOR THEM TO THINK ABOUT HELPING US REACH THAT NEXT LEVEL.

>>> WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS UNION?

WHAT -- WHAT, AS YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL ISSUES MOVING FORWARD, HOW DO THEY FIT INTO IT?

HOW WOULD THAT LEADERSHIP FIT INTO IT?

>>> THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN A PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO WHERE ALIFA IS STILL IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE DEEPEST RESISTANCE TO REFORM.

AND NO FEDERAL CONSENT DECREE, THE DEPARTURE OF O'HARA AND THEN JUST THIS MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS CONSENT DECREE.

WILL YOU EE THE PENDULUM SWING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

IF YOU DON'T GET THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP IN PLACE.

IF COMMUNITY LOSES INTEREST.

IF WE HAVE ANOTHER INCIDENT LIKE METRO SURGE.

TO BE FAIR, METRO SURGE TOOK A LOT OF OUR ATTENTION, RIGHTFULLY, AWAY FROM POLICE REFORM, AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF SHIFTING BACK AND YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT MOMENTUM.

>>> WOULD CITIZEN OUTREACH HELP IN SELECTING A NEW CHIEF, AND GET A LITTLE BUY-IN FROM THE COMMUNITY.

>>> I THINK YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO THINK BOUT ENGAGING COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF REBUILDING PUBLIC TRUST.

I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY LEADERS, MEMBERS FROM COMMUNITIES AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY IN FEBRUARY AT THIS EVENT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT METRO SURGE.

COMMUNITIES UNITED SAID WE HAVE REAL ISSUES HERE IN TERMS OF OUR LOCAL POLICING AND IF WE KIND OF LOSE SIGHT OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE MOMENTUM SO I THINK ENGAGING COMMUNITY WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

>>> BY THE WAY, ERIC ASKED ABOUT THE ACTING CHIEF, KATIE BLACKWELL.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HER.

WHAT IS HER LEADERSHIP STYLE.

>>> SHE HAS BEEN ASSISTANT CHIEF.

WE KNOW SHE TESTIFIED IN THE SHOW VIN TRIAL FOR THE PROSECUTION.

SO SHE IS CERTAINLY SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS AND WE KNOW HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THOSE REFORM EFFORTS.

HAS GREAT RESPECT AMONG HER FELLOW OFFICERS.

SO IT'S A SMART CHOICE, IT'S A SAFE CHOICE.

THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS SHE INTERESTED IN THE JOB FULL-TIME AND IS THIS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A NATIONAL EARCH OR ARE THEY GOING TO LOOKIN' TERRIBLY, AS WELL.

>>> AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE.

THANKS.

>>> THANKS.

>>> THANK YOU.

♪ >>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DINNER TONIGHT AFTER THE SHOW.

I USUALLY LIKE GOING OUT TO RESTAURANTS.

I JUST HATE EATING THERE.

I'M ALWAYS AFRAID I'LL ACCIDENTALLY ORDER SOMETHING HORRIBLE AND THEN SPILL SOME ON MY SHORT SHIRT AND EVERYBODY WILL STARE AS I LEAVE.

SOME DOCTORS SAY IT'S HEALTHIER TO EAT AT HOME.

YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T SOON MY FRIDGE.

LEFT ON MY OWN, I WOULD EAT A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HEALTHY.

PLUS, I DON'T LIKE TO WAIT FOR FOOD, SO ANYTHING I MAKE HAS TO HAVE A PREP TIME F UNDER A MINUTE.

I REALLY LIKE DINNERS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A COUNTER, BECAUSE YOU GET TO WATCH THE COOK FRY YOUR GRILLED CHEESE SUPREME.

BUT ANYWHERE YOU GO THEY HAVE A CHEF INSTEAD OF A COOK, IT'S GOING TO COST MORE AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE ORDERING.

THEY BRING ONE DUMPLING IN THE MIDDLE OF A GIANT PLATE WITH A LEAF TO MAKE IT ART STICK AND THEN I KNOW I'LL BE STOPPING AT BURGER KING FOR AN IMPOSSIBLE WHOPPER.

I DON'T WANT A CELEBRITY CHEF.

I WANT A COOK.

I DON'T NEED TO WHO IS WORKING THE GRILL THAT KAY.

CELEBRITY CHEFS ARE NEVER THAT NEVER COOK ANY MORE, THEY SPEND THEIR TIME ON TV THROWING PANS AND YELLING AT SINKERS.

CHEFS TALK ABOUT EXCITING NEW FLAVORS.

I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

THERE ARE NO FLAVORS.

AND I'VE TASTED PRESENT.

THERE REALLY ARE NO NEW FLAVORS, ANYWAY, UNLESS THEY START MIXING THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T GO TOGETHER LIKE RASPBERRY MUSHROOM BUTTER BUTTERSCOTCH MEDALLIONS.

SO RAUNTS WITH GIANT PLATES AND TINY FOOD DON'T WORK FOR ME.

BUT DINERS, A NO-NAME COOK AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN FIND A STOOL AT THE COUNTER THAT STILL SPINS AROUND.

[ APPLAUSE ] ♪ >>> THE 286,000 MILITANT VETERANS AND AMILIES HAVE A NEW MUSEUM MEMORIALIZING THEIR SERVICE.

THE MINNESOTA MILITANT AND VETERANS MUSEUM HAS BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES BUT IS NOW IN IN A NEW BRAND-NEW BUILDING SET TO OPEN SEPTEMBER 12TH.

KAOMI LEE GOT SNEAK PEEK.

>>> IN HUGO, LIVES AN 89-YEAR-OLD GRANDMOTHER.

HER NAME IS KAY BAUER, AND SHE HAS HAD AN INCREDIBLE PAST.

>>> SEPTEMBER 28, 1958, IS WHEN I JOINED.

>>> THEN A 21-YEAR-OLD ST.

PAUL NATIVE, HAD NO IDEA SHE WOULD SPEND THE NEXT 35 YEARS OF HER LIFE IN THE NAVY.

OR BE SENT TO WAR.

>>> ONE OF THE STUDENT NURSES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA HAD SAID THAT THEY OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS, AND I KNEW NEEDED A SCHOLARSHIP TO FINISH OUT MY TIME AT St.

KATE'S UNIVERSITY.

>>> KAY FIRST SERVED AT A VA HOSPITAL IN NEW YORK.

ASSISTANTS IN GENTLEMAN PAP AND GUAM FOLLOWED AND THEN MENTOR ASKED HER TO GO TO VIETNAM.

>>> THEY CAME TO DROP US OFF AT THE AIRPORT.

LOOK AT THE AIRPORT.

AND JUST US.

THERE'S NOBODY THERE.

>>> SHE WAS ONE OF TWO NURSES, PART OF A SMALL, ELITE MEDICAL TEAM, BASED IN SOUTHERN VIETNAM DURING THE WAR.

THEY WERE EMBEDDED IN A REMOTE VILLAGE WITH VIETNAMESE ARMY SOLDIERS AND LOCALS FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.

>>> WE WORKED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

NURSES DON'T STAY IN THE HOSPITAL.

DON'T STAY ON BASE.

>>> OLD PHOTOS AND LETTERS SPARK VIVID MEMORIES OF FRIENDS AND A CULTURE.

WORKING IN AN O.R., SOME MEMORIES ARE TOO PAINFUL.

SHE ESPECIALLY REMEMBERS THE CHILDREN SHE MET.

>>> LOOK AT HIM.

THEY'RE TOO YOUNG TO HAVE REMEMBERED ANY OF THIS.

BUT I WILL NEVER FORGET THEM.

>>> SOON, THERE WILL BE A 40,000-SQUARE-FOOT MUSEUM SO MINNESOTANS NEVER FORGET PEOPLE LIKE KAY.

>>> HI, ARE YOU RANDALL?

>>> I AM.

>>> RANDALL IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW MINNESOTA MILITARY AND VETERANS MUSEUM, LOCATED NEXT TO CAMP RIPLEY AND CEMETERY.

HE SAYS THE 40-MILLION MUSEUM WILL BE THE FINEST AND HE HOPES MINNESOTA'S VETERANS WILL SEE THEMSELVES AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS ELEVATED.

>>> THE KIND OF SACRIFICE AND SERVICE THEY RENDERED OVER THE YEARS.

THEY HAVE HELD IN THEIR HEART AND THEIR HEAD FOR SO MANY YEARS.

I HOPE THAT WHEN THEY COME, THEY'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED HERE.

>>> STORIES ABOUT TEAMWORK, GRIT AND OVERCOMING OBSTACLES WILL BE ON DISPLAY.

OVER THE YEARS, THE MUSEUM HAS COLLECTED COUNTLESS ITEMS DONATED BY VETERANS AND FAMILY MEMBERS.

HE SAYS THEY'LL NOW BE PRESERVED IN ARCHIVES, VISIBLE THROUGH GLASS.

>>> HOW MANY PIECES OF -- >>> YEAH, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ARTIFACTS ARE ALREADY IN OUR CARE.

OUR MUSEUM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.

>>> BUT NOT LIKE THIS.

EACH GALLERY SPACE WILL BE DEDICATED TO A IFRNTER YA FROM WORLD WAR I TO THE MIDDLE EST.

>>> A STEWART TANK FROM WORLD WAR II WOULD HAVE BEEN A TANK INDICATIVE FROM WHAT THE ABOUT HOW WIDE IN BRAINERD, MINNESOTA WOULD HAVE BEEN RELYING UPON FOR THEIR PROTECTION.

>>> OVERHEAD IS A WORLD WAR II TRAINER/GLIDER AND A HELICOPTER FROM THE 1970 "MASH" MOVIE SET FROM THE KOREAN WAR.

IT IS ONE OF MINNESOTA'S MOST CELEBRATED MILITANT MEMBERS, JOHN WILLIAM VESSE.

HE SERVED IN WORLD WAR II, VIETNAM, AND IS THE NATION'S TENTH CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF TAFF FOR PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN.

HE DIED A DECADE AGO AT AGE 94.

>>> WE'RE IN THE ARTIFACTS AND ARCHIVES SECTION OF THE MUSEUM.

>>> OKAY.

>>> AND RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE COLLECTION OF ENERAL JOHN VESSE, ARTIFACTS FROM HIS ILLUSTRIOUS CAREER.

>>> CURATOR DOUG THOMPSON SHOWS ME SOME OF THE GENERAL'S THINGS.

>>> WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM UNIFORMS, GIFTS FROM HEADS OF STATE, PAPERWORK, PHOTOGRAPHS.

>>> EVEN HIS POST MILITANT VFW HAT.

IT'S ALL HOUSED IN THE CRAMPED QUARTERS OF THE CURRENT MUSEUM ARCHIVES AT CAMP RPLEY.

KAY BAUER PLANS TO VISIT THE MUSEUM WHEN IT OPENS.

SHE'LL BE JOINED BY OTHER FEMALE VIETNAM VETERANS IN MINNESOTA.

SHE SAYS IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM.

TO BE WELCOMED HOME.

>>> COULD YOU SAY THAT THE MUSEUM IS ALSO HEALING WOUNDS?

>>> OH, INDEED.

INDEED, INDEED.

♪ >>> JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO, TWO LEGENDARY TWIN CITIES' BROADCAST METEOROLOGISTS RETIRED IN THE SAME WEEK.

THE COMBINED YEARS OF SERVICE IN THIS MARKET, MORE THAN SIX DECADES.

PAUL HUTNER FORECASTED THE WEATHER IN CHICAGO AND TUCSON, ARIZONA, BEFORE COMING HOME TO THE TWIN CITIES AND MOVING TO MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO NEWS FOR THE REMAINDER OF HIS STORIED BROADCAST CAREER.

BELINDA JENSEN WAS AN INTERN AT KARE 11 AND ENT TO SALT LAKE CITY AND SPENT 33 YEARS AT KARE 11.

HERE IS A QUICK LOOK BACK AT BOTH OF THEIR EARLY YEARS.

>>> METEOROLOGIST PAUL HUT INNER.

THIS MAY END UP BEING ONE OF IF NOT THE BIGGEST SNOW STORMS IN HISTORY.

VIRTUALLY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS IS IN PARALYSIS THIS MORNING.

A LOT OF THINGS SHUT DOWN.

>>> UP TO THE NORTH IN INTERNATIONAL FALLS, FOG PROBLEMS, BUT THE RAIN IS MOVING TOWARD US.

WE HAVE HAD OFF AND ON OCCASIONAL SHOWERS, SOME HAVE BEEN PRETTY HEAVY.

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS HEADING OUT ON TO THE LAKE.

>>> OH, YEAH.

OH, YEAH.

A LOOK BACK, YOU TWO.

WELCOME.

>>> THANK YOU.

>>> IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU GUYS ON THE OLD COUCH.

SO I AM A WEATHER NERD.

YOU GUYS BOTH KNOW THAT.

AND YOU COULD HAVE -- YOU BOTH COULD HAVE BEEN RESEARCH METEOROLOGISTS.

YOU COULD HAVE TAUGHT.

YOU COULD HAVE WORKED AT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, DEALT AIRLINES.

BUT NO, YOU CHOSE BROADCAST METEOROLOGY.

SO BELINDA JENSEN, WHEN YOU WERE A LITTLE GIRL IN PRESCOTT, WISCONSIN, WHO WERE YOU WATCHING ON TV WHERE YOU SAID TO YOURSELF, OH, I'VE GOT TO DO THAT?

>>> WELL, I -- SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WASN'T A KID WHO GREW UP WITH A THERMOMETER ON THE CRADLE.

SO IT WASN'T LIKE I WAS ALWAYS GOING TO DO THIS.

I WAS GOING TO BE A TEACHER.

I WANTED TO BE A GEOGRAPHY TEACHER AND SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER.

I BELIEVE WE ENDED UP BEING TEACHERS AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT.

BUT WHO I WAS WATCHING WHEN I WAS A KID IN PRESCOTT, WISCONSIN, WAS EVERYONE.

I WATCHED EVERYONE, BUT I -- WE ZEROED IN ON THE BRAND-NEW STATION IN TOWN, WHICH WAS WTCN AND IT WAS WALKING DOWLINGS.

>>> MAY 6TH, NOT 65 CHANGED YOUR LIFE.

>>> IT DID.

IT'S MY FIRST LIVING MEMORY.

IT'S AS VIVID -- I COULD PLAY IT BACK ON THE DVR OUT OF MY MIND TODAY.

THE SKY IS GREEN, AFTER SCHOOL, OUT COLLECTING HAIL STONES AS BIG AS YOUR FIST, PUTTING THEM IN THE FREEZER AND MY COME COMES OUT AND SAYS YOU KIDS COME INSIDE, THERE IS A TORNADO COMING.

THAT DAY OUR HOUSE WASN'T DAMAGED, BUT A MILE AWAY, A HOUSE WAS LEVELED.

AND I WAS HOOKED.

I WAS LIKE, I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT DID THIS.

>>> AND SO WHO WERE YOU WATCHING?

>>> SO IT MIGHT DATE ME A LITTLE MORE THAN BELINDA, BECAUSE I GO BACK TO THE DR.

WALT LIONS, MIKE FAIR BORN, AND MIKE FAIR BORN GAVE ME AN INTERNSHIP WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE AT MACALASTER.

I DID TWO YEARS OF AN INTERNSHIP IN THE CCO WEATHER CENTER.

I WAS LIKE, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KICK ME OUT OF HERE.

IT WAS WONDERFUL TO ACTUALLY MEET THOSE PEOPLE AND LEARN FROM THEM.

>>> AND YOU INTERNED WITH PAUL DOUGLAS.

>>> I DID FROM MADISON, YES.

I INTERNED BETWEEN MY JUNIOR AND SENIOR YEAR.

>>> DOESN'T HE CLAIM SOME SORT OF YOUR SUCCESS?

>>> HE WAS MY MENTOR BUT I INTERVIEWED HIM WHEN I WAS IN TENTH GRADE.

SO I DID A PAPER ON METEOROLOGY.

MY PHYSICS TEACHER TOLD ME TO DO THIS, DO A TERM PAPER.

I WANTED ME TO GO TO WISCONSIN, MADISON.

HE WENT TO MADISON.

AND I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE, HE ANSWERED THE PHONE.

I INTERVIEWED HIM, I GOT AN A ON THE PAPER.

AND THEN I GOT HIS JOB.

SO YOU NEVER KNOW.

YOU EVER KNOW.

>>> WILLARD SCOTT, THE GREAT TV WEATHER GUY, SAID -- USED TO SAY THAT BEING IN TV WEATHER PERSON WAS THE BEST JOB.

ON TV.

IT'S THE BEST AND MOST SECURE JOB.

THEY CHANGE ANCHORS, SETS, PRODUCERS, BUT THE WEATHER PEOPLE REMAIN.

>>> HUH.

>>> TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP YOU GUYS HAVE HAD WITH VIEWERS AND LISTENERS, THE GOOD AND THE BAD.

THEY REALLY LOVE YOU, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LOVE/HATE RELATIONSHIP.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>>> YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, SINCE I ANNOUNCED I WAS RETIRING, IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING THE POSITIVE RESPONSE I'VE HAD FROM PEOPLE I'VE NEVER EVEN MET.

AND IT TAUGHT ME SOMETHING.

WE HAVE, AND YOU KNOW THIS -- YOU DO THIS -- WE CONNECT WITH PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND WE'RE IN THEIR HOMES EVERY DAY.

THEY KNOW US.

THEY KNOW US MORE THAN I EVER THOUGHT THEY DID, ECAUSE I GET THAT WE CONNECT WITH PEOPLE.

BUT IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT MY WORK AND OUR WORK SINCE I RETIRED.

>>> BUT WHAT'S THE DEAL WHEN YOU GET SEVERE WEATHER AND YOU'RE INTERRUPTING GOING WALL-TO-WALL?

SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.

>>> OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND THAT'S EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, TOO.

AND -- BUT, OF COURSE, IT IS OUR DUTY TO DO THAT.

I THINK EATHER IS JUST SUPER PERSONAL.

BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PERSON LETTING THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, CAN THEY BRING EVERYONE TO GRADUATION TONIGHT AT BNILDE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE GYM AND THEY CAN ONLY BRING THREE PEOPLE.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR TEE TIME.

WILL YOU HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND ON THE LAKE.

HOW IS YOUR WEDDING GOING TO BE?

SO WHEN YOU'RE TELLING THEM SOMETHING SO PERSONAL AND SO TANGIBLE, WEATHER, AND WE ALL DEAL WITH IT HERE -- THE SUPER BOWL OF WEATHER, MINNESOTA -- >>> SURE OWE.

>>> I THINK IT BECOMES A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP.

AND THE OTHER THING I LEARNED DURING THE PANDEMIC WAS THE NEWS IS SO DAUNTING AND THE FIRST BLOCK IS VERY DAUNTING.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF THE SPORTS TEAMS ARE DOING WELL, THE LAST BLOCK IS DAUNTING.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND IF WORRY TALKING ABOUT A BLIZZARD OR A THUNDERSTORM OR A SUNNY DAY, WE HAVE THE THREE 3 MINUTES WHERE WE GET TO TALK ABOUT CLOUDS AND RAIN AND SOMETHING REALLY THAT CAN BE POSITIVE.

SHOULD BE POSITIVE.

AND I THINK DURING THE PANDEMIC, I REALIZED HOW IMPORTANT THOSE THREE MINUTES WERE TO EVERYBODY.

>>> ONE OF THE GREAT CLICHES TO EVERYBODY IS THE HALLOWEEN BLIZZARD OF 1991.

YOU WERE THE LONE RANGER THAT DAY?

>>> WHAT AN AMAZING MORNING FOR ME, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MORNING SHOW AT THAT TIME.

SO THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, HUTNER, YOU COME IN, AND DO SOME CUT-INS UNTIL THE REST OF THE NEWS TEAM GETS THERE.

I MADE IT OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY IN 15 INCHES OF SNOW.

I WAS THE ONLY NE THAT MADE IT TO THE STATION THAT MORNING.

SO MY NEWS DIRECTOR COMES IN AND SAYS I WANT YOU TO STAY ON THE AIR AS LONG AS YOU CAN.

AND I SAID, COOL.

AND I WAS ON THE AIR ALONE PRETTY MUCH FOR ABOUT 45, 50 MINUTES FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS UNTIL FINALLY THE NOON SHOW CAME IN.

SO THAT WAS MY BIG BREAK IN TV AND THE NEWS DIRECTOR CALLED ME OVER THE NEXT AY AND HE SAYS HUTNER, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON IN CCO HISTORY WITH THEIR OWN 40-SHARE.

EVERYBODY WAS WATCHING.

IT WASN'T ME.

IT WAS THE STORM THAT WAS THE WEATHER.

BUT JUST DUMB LUCK.

>>> I LOVED THAT THE -- THE REALLY OLD COMPUTER BEHIND YOU 3 THERE IN THAT SHOT THAT WE HAD.

YOU KNOW WHAT GOB SMACKS ME WHEN I THINK -- BECAUSE WE'RE ALL KIND OF THE SAME VINTAGE HERE IN TERMS OF THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS.

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, THAT IS KIND OF CRAZY.

THE GRAPHICS, THE RADAR.

EVERYTHING.

>>> EVERYTHING.

AND WHEN INTERNED AT KARE, IT WAS 1988.

AND WE STILL HAD A MAP WALL AND I STILL HAD COLORED PENCILS AND WE HAD A LOUD MAP PRINTER.

AND WHEN I TELL MY METEOROLOGY TEAM THAT I HAVE -- WHO WERE ALL MY INTERNS, AND THEY'RE LIKE NO.

AND I'M LIKE, NO, THAT WAS THE MAP WALL RIGHT OVER THERE.

>>> WHEN YOU -- ADDRESS THE AUDIENCE FROM THE -- THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, IT'S A GREEN SCREEN, RIGHT, AND YOU'RE -- LOOKING AT A MONITOR OFF CAMERA.

>>> I OWN NO GREEN COTHES.

>>> AS YOU SHOULD NOT.

>>> BECAUSE YOU WOULD DISAPPEAR.

>>> I WOULD BE COMPLETELY INVISIBLE AND THEY ASKED ME TO DO IT ON HALLOWEEN ND I SAID NO.

I WON'T BE SILLY.

>>> YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RETIRED A MONTH.

>>> WE RETIRED ON THE SAME NIGHT.

>>> I KNOW.

>>> WE DIDN'T PLAN IT.

>>> HOW CRAZY IS THAT.

>>> YOU CAN NEVER REALLY STEP AWAY FROM THIS, THOUGH.

ONCE A WEATHER NERD, ALWAYS A WEATHER NERD; RIGHT?

>>> KIND OF.

IT'S BEEN NICE NOT FIGURING OUT THE CHAOS THEORY FOR THE LAST 30 DAYS.

IT'S BEEN VERY NICE.

>>> YOU FEEL THE WEATHER-RELATED STRESS MELTING AWAY.

NO WARNINGS.

>>> YOU GUYS SAVED LIVES.

THAT'S GOT TO BE A NICE FEELING.

>>> IT IS.

I MEAN, THAT PART OF OUR JOB, THAT RESPONSIBILITY, IS PRETTY DAUNTING.

AND IT'S SOMETHING I ALWAYS TOOK VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND IT SURPRISED ME, PEOPLE TELL ME, PAUL, YOU'RE SO CALM.

AND I'M LIKE, NO, I'M NOT.

YOU KNOW, I'M DOING MY BEST.

>>> BREWING UP.

>>> CALM BEFORE THE STORM.

>>> WE'VE GOT TO RUN.

>>> YOU GUYS DID GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

>>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING.

>>> CONGRATULATIONS.

YOU MENTALITY SO MUCH, YOUR WARMTH TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

>>> AND YOU, AS WELL.

WE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.

AND I APPRECIATED PAUL SO MUCH.

>>> WE'LL SEE YOU DOWN THE ROAD.

>>> THANK YOU.

>>> THANK YOU ♪ >>> THE AUCTION BEGAN, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BY AN ACCIDENT IN SAN FRANCISCO.

I KNOW, ECAUSE I WAS THERE.

WE WERE DOING A TELETHON, WHICH IS THE WAY YOU USED TO RAISE MONEY.

SOMEBODY NEAR THE END SENT IN -- IT WAS A WASHER AND DRYER, I THINK, FROM A LOCAL HARDWARE STORE.

THEY SAID, YOU CAN SELL THIS.

KEEP THE PROCEEDS, JUST GIVE ME CREDIT.

BOOM, WE DID, AND THE AUB SHUN WAS BORN.

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

>>> AND THEN IT SPREAD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>>> YEAH, AND THAT WAS 1954.

A LONG TIME AGO.

♪ >>> WE'VE COVERED MINNEAPOLIS CITY POLITICS AND NATIONAL POLITICS, AND WHAT'S LEFT?

BOTH THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC STATE CONVENTIONS OPENED EARLIER TODAY, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME NEWS FROM BOTH SIDES ALREADY.

SPECIAL EDITION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL TO ROUND IT UP.

DEMOCRATS FIRST TONIGHT.

REPRESENTATIVE SANDRA FEIST FROM NEW BRIGHTON, SOON TO BE FORMER LAWMAKER, NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION THIS FALL.

AND MARA, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER AND NOW ATTORNEY.

REPUBLICANS, SENATOR CARLA NELSON HAILS FROM ROCHESTER.

SHE TOO IS RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

ROUNDING OUT THE GROUP, ANDREA BRAHAM IS A FORMER PRESS SECRETARY FOR NORM COLEMAN, NOW A LAWYER AND COLUMNIST OR THE MINNESOTA STAR TRIBUNE.

ANDY, WHO IS ADAM THIS JUAREZY WITH MICHELLE TAFOYA IN THE FIELD?

>>> I THINK HE'S AN I AM IMPRESSIVE GUY.

HE HAS WORKED EXTREMELY HARD, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO LOCK UP AN ENDORSEMENT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, MICHELLE TAFOYA I THINK WILL BE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

I THINK SHE WILL BE THE U.S.

SENATOR FOR MINNESOTA.

>>> IN THE PRIMARY SHE'S GOING?

>>> I BELIEVE THAT.

BUT, LISTEN, I'VE NEVER SAID THIS KIND OF HEALTHY COMPETITION IS A BAD THING FOR OUR PARTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, ADAM HAS DONE A NICE JOB AND I WISH HIM WELL, AND IF HE'S ABLE TO LOCK UP THE ENDORSEMENT, GREAT.

I DON'T THINK HE'LL E OUR CANDIDATE.

BUT I LIKE A LOT WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DULUTH.

>>> I DISAGREE.

IF YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY SINCE 2010, DEMOCRATS OFTEN WILL ENDORSE SOMEBODY, BUT THAT PERSON DOESN'T WIN IN THE AUGUST PRIMARY.

THAT IS NOT TRUE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

NEEDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ENDORSEMENT IS ESSENTIAL.

TIM PAWLENTY COULDN'T EVEN WIN THE PRIMARY IN 2018, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT.

IF YOU DON'T AVE THE ENDORSEMENT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU'RE DONE.

>>> SENATOR.

>>> WELL, I THINK MICHELLE TAFOYA IS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

AND I THINK MOST OF US REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT THE STRONGEST PERSON THAT'S GOING TO WIN.

WE NEED TO HAVE A REPUBLICAN IN THAT U.S.

SENATE SEAT.

AND I HINK IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S -- WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES.

AND WHO HAS GOT THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN.

SO I THINK THERE PROBABLY WILL BE A PRIMARY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

BUT THERE WILL BE ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, TOO.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEGGY FLANAGAN AND HER CHALLENGER FROM THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT EVEN -- SHE'S NOT EVEN GOING -- >>> DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE AN ENDORSEMENT, SENATOR?

>>> IT'S HARD TO SAY IF THERE WILL BE AN ENDORSEMENT.

WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY.

AND I THINK THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY ON THE DFL SIDE, TOO.

SO WHAT HUH SHOWS US IS THE IMPORTANCE, REALLY, OF GETTING OUT THOSE INSPECT OUT THOSE INSPEDEPENDENT VOTERS BOTH AT THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION.

>>> DFL AND SENATE PRIMARY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

>>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A MYSTERY THERE.

PEGGY FLANAGAN IS OUR ONLY CANDIDATE AT THIS POINT, SINCE ANGIE CRAIG DECIDED SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THE SUPPORT OF DFLers.

>>> WHY DIDN'T SHE DO BETTER?

I THINK SHE HAD 11% OF THE DELEGATES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

TO START OFF.

>>> YEAH, WELL, I THINK THAT DFLers WANT PEOPLE TO SUPPORT DFL VALUES AND I THINK THAT ANGIE CRAIG DID NOT SERVE HER WELL WITH DFL VOTERS.

>>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>>> I THINK PEGGY HAS MORE EXPERIENCE.

SHE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 10, 20 YEARS AT THE DEMOCRATIC BASE LEVEL.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KIND OF GRASS ROOTS DFL POLITICS AND KIND OF DEMOCRATIC POLITICS, GENERALLY.

I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

PEGGY HAS BEEN DOING IT MORE.

DOESN'T MEAN SHE IS GOING TO WIN IN AUGUST.

I THINK RESOURCE IS GOING TO BE AN POSSIBILITY QUESTION.

PEGGY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO RAISE $4 MILLION IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY TOUGH SLED, JUST QUITE HONESTLY.

>>> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THE -- IF IT HAD TURNED OUT BEING FLANAGAN VERSUS WHOMEVER ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE?

IS SHE A TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT FOR REPUBLICANS, OR -- WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

>>> I'M VERY MUCH ROOTING FOR PEGGY FLANAGAN TO BE THE NOMINEE.

SHE IS ABOUT AS FAR LEFT AS YOU GET.

SHE HAS SELF-DESCRIBED HER CAMPAIGN SLOGAN AS AVENGING MINNESOTA.

WHAT AN INSPIRING CAMPAIGN TOPIC.

PEOPLE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS, THEY WANT A U.S.

SENATOR WHO WILL FOCUS ON THAT.

SHE HAS NEVER WORKED IN THE PRIVATE ECTOR AT ALL.

SHE IS EXTREME ON PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

BUT SHE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN THE STATE, WHILE THE COUNTRY AND THE STATE HAS MOVED TOWARD THE MIDDLE, THE MINNESOTA CONFIDENTIAL IS AS FAR LEFT AS EVER.

SO I THINK SHE'S VERY BEATABLE.

>>> WHAT DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERFORMANCE ADD TO THE CAMPAIGN IN MINNESOTA?

>>> WELL -- >>> A REFERENDUM ON HIM, OR -- >>> WELL, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT.

FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHAT DID THE DEMOCRATS DO HERE WHEN THEY WERE IN THE MAJORITY?

AND WHAT WE SAW, OF COURSE, WAS USING UP 40% INCREASING THE STATE SPENDING BY 40%, GETTING RID OF $18 BILLION SURPLUS, GONE LIKE THAT.

$10 BILLION OF NEW TAXES.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE WAS ALL THE VERY LIBERAL POLICIES THAT WENT WITH THAT.

SO MINNESOTANS REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT AGAIN.

>>> YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE PARTICIPATING IN THAT AGENDA.

>>> I WAS.

AND I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE DID DURING THE TRIFECTA TERM.

WE PASSED REALLY IMPORTANT, LONG-HELD GOALS.

WE PASSED PAID FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, EARNED SICK AND SAFE TIME.

WE GOT DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR ALL.

WE ALSO MADE DEEP INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THOSE INVESTMENTS.

WE HAD A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS OVERDUE, DUE TO THE DIVIDED LEGISLATURE OVER SEVERAL DECADES AND WE GOT THAT WORK DONE AND THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA APPRECIATED IT.

>>> SO AS WE SPEAK ON FRIDAY NIGHT, WE HAVE THE REPUBLICANS DOING THEIR SENATE ENDORSEMENT, AND DFLers, OF COURSE, GOVERNOR.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SENATOR KLOBUCHAR -- THE DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE.

WHAT ABOUT HER RUNNING MATE?

>>> SO I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT MOVE.

I TALKED ABOUT THE PROFILE OF WHO I THINK AMY KLOBUCHAR NEEDED TO PICK.

I THINK SHE NEEDED TO PICK SOMEBODY WHO HAD LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

SECOND, I THINK SHE NEEDED TO PICK SOMEBODY THAT WAS FROM GREATER MINNESOTA.

THIRD, I THINK SHE NEEDED TO PICK SOMEBODY THAT SHE REALLY HAD A GOOD PERSONAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH.

YOU'RE NOT PICKING THIS PERSON 3 BECAUSE YOU NEED TO PICK THIS PERSON.

YOU'RE PICKING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOVERNING WITH THEM AND SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

WE HEARD SENATOR KLOBUCHAR TALK ABOUT THAT IN HER TIME AS A SENATOR.

AND I THINK HE FITS THE BILL.

>>> FOLKS, DO YOU KNOW -- WE SHOULD PROBABLY BROWSE HIM.

>>> BRAD CHARA.

NEWS EVERYWHERE.

>>> SPEAKER DEMUTH AND MIKE LINDELL, COMPETING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE FOR GOVERNOR.

COULD ROYCE END UP BEING LINDELL'S RUNNING MATE SINCE HE'S BEEN DROPPED FROM THE SENATE STUFF TODAY?

I HEARD THAT FROM SOMEBODY THIS AFTERNOON.

>>> WHO KNOWS.

I MEAN, THE LINDELL CANDIDACY IS A BIT OF A JOKE, AND ROYCE WHITE IS ABOUT AS UNFIT OF A GUY AS YOU CAN GET.

WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY FRIENDS AT THE CONVENTION IS REALLY 3 REPUBLICANS ARE FOCUSED ON WINNING.

THEY WANT A CANDIDATE HAT IS ELECTABLE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THEY'VE MADE, WHICH IS MUSIC TO MY EARS.

SO I DON'T THINK LINDELL IS GOING TO END UP DOING WELL AT ALL.

>>> IS DEMUTH A FRONT RUNNER?

>>> YES, I THINK SHE IS -- >>> SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

>>> SHE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE AND WE ALL KNOW HOW MPORTANT IT IS THAT A GOVERNOR HAS SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE.

ALSO, SHE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DONE SOME OF THOSE VERY AST END OF SESSION NEGOTIATIONS.

SO I THINK SHE'S DEFINITELY THE FRONT RUNNER.

>>> GUNS AS AN ISSUE IN THE FALL CAMPAIGN.

WHERE DOES IT PLAY?

>>> WELL, I THINK IT'S REALLY POSSIBILITY TO THE MAJORITY OF MINNESOTA VOTERS.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VERY FRUSTRATED THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ADVANCE LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS UN VIOLENCE IN MINNESOTA, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IN THE LAST DAYS OF THE SESSION THERE WERE PEOPLE FILLING THE CAPITOL, CALLING FOR US TO HEAR LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE, THAT WOULD LOOK AT WEAPONS OF WAR ON OUR STREETS AND THAT IS A BIG ISSUE.

>>> WHEN YOU THINK OF WHAT MINNESOTA HUH HAS BEEN THROUGH WITH THE ASSASSINATION OF MELISSA HORTMAN AND JOHN HALFMAN, MINNESOTANS WILL FIND THIS UNACCEPTABLE THAT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN ON THIS ISSUE AND IT'S GOING TO MATTER IN THE DISTRICTS WHERE DEMOCRATS NEED TO WIN IN THE SUBURBS TO MAINTAIN MAJORITIES.

>>> WHEN YOU HAVE A ECORD WHERE GOVERNMENT SPENDING BALLOONED IN THE STATE AND PEOPLE ARE GOING, WHERE DID THAT GO.

OH, IT WENT TO FRAUDSTERS.

WE HAVE BECOME A NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT.

SO PEOPLE ARE FURIOUS.

MY DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS ARE FURIOUS AND WE NEED A MAJOR CHANGE.

SO IT'S MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.

>>> IT'S WHAT I'M HEARING TOO.

FRAUD.

>>> FRAUD?

>>> YEAH, AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WE DID SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT IN PASSING THE OFFICE OF NSPECTOR GENERAL THAT WAS A BIPARTISAN EFFORT.

I THINK IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND IT WAS RESPONDING TO THIS DESIRE.

>>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DFL CONVENTION FOR JUST A MOMENT.

WHAT DOES IT AY THAT GOVERNOR WALZ IS A NO-SHOW THERE?

>>> WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW -- TO PROVIDE AMY KLOBUCHAR THE SPACE, TO GROUND 3 HERSELF AS SHE MOVES FORWARD AS THE LEADER OF THE PARTY.

I THINK THAT'S JUST DEFERENCE TO THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY.

I DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING AT THAT.

>>> SO HE WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE A VICTORY LAP.

>>> I THINK THERE WOULD BE A PLACE FOR TAT.

I SUSPECT - MAYBE I'M WRONG -- A PLACE AFTER THE ELECTION WHERE HE COULD GIVE A SPEECH TO TALK ABOUT HIS TIME AS GOVERNOR.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT AMY KLOBUCHAR AND HER MOVING FORWARD.

>>> I THINK IT'S A SAVVY MOVE.

AMY KLOBUCHAR IS A SMART POLITICIAN AND SHE WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

HIS RECORD IS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER.

DEMOCRATS ARE NOT STUPID.

>>> WE HAVE BEEN WINNING FOR 20 YEARS, WE KNOW.

>>> WELL, WE'LL SEE HOW IT SERVES YOU.

BUT THEY WANT TO RUN AWAY FROM TIM WALZ.

I SURE WOULD.

>>> YEAH AND I THINK WALZ IS CERTAINLY A WEIGHT TO ANY DEMOCRAT RUNNING RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE THING WITH AMY KLOBUCHAR, ON HER GUBERNATORIAL PICK, IT'S A PERSON FROM RURAL MINNESOTA, TRENDING MORE AND MORE RED, WHICH IS VERY RED.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, SO THAT'S MORE OF A REPUBLICAN AREA WHERE THIS GUBERNATORIAL LIEUTENANT OVERNOR CAME FROM.

BUT THE PROBLEM -- >>> REAL QUICK -- >>> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PEOPLE IN ROCHESTER ARE NOT SO EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHE'S THE -- THE HEIR APPARENT, WITHOUT EVEN A BATTLE.

>>> ADAM THIS JUAREZY HAS BEEN ENDORSED FOR U.S.

SENATE.

>>> BAD NEWS BEARS FOR ALL THE PRAGMATIC REPUBLICANS.

>>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE CONTESTS.

IT'S OKAY.

>>> GOTTA RUN.

>>> GREAT JOB, GUYS.

♪ ♪ NAME THERE'S MORE TO BEING THE GOVERNOR THAN JUST GIVING A STATE OF THE STATE AND DROPPING THE BUDGET IN FEBRUARY AND DISAPPEARING.

YOU NEED TO GET IN THERE, ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES, FORGE RELATIONSHIPS, TRY TO WORK AND FORGE DEALS AS A LEADER.

THAT WASN'T HAPPENING THE LAST FEW MONTHS BUT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, HE DID ENGAGE AND IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

>>> JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, REPRESENTATIVE PAWLENTY BECAME GOVERNOR PAWLENTY, TAKING THE OATH OF OFFICE IN JANUARY OF 2003 AS THE STATE'S 39TH GOV.

VERY FULL SHOW TONIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME FOR UR HISTORY SECTION.

LAST TIME, WE REASKED AN UNANSWERED QUESTION, AND ADDED DETAILS.

HERE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS, THE YEAR 2004, MINNESOTA IS HONORED AS PART OF A YEARLY SERIES IN A WRITE-UP ABOUT THE MINNESOTA HONORARY, THERE ARE MENTIONS OF GOING FOR THE GOLD, HORSEBACK RIDING AND THE MALL OF AMERICA.

I THEN ADDED THE BIG HINT THAT INCLUDED A DETAILED QUOTE FROM THE STAR TRIBUNE ARTICLE ABOUT THIS MINNESOTA.

AN, ALL DESIGNED TO HELP US GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.

WHO IS THIS 2024 MINNESOTA HONOREE.

HOW DID YOU DO?

VERY WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET ANY WRONG ANSWERS THIS WEEK.

HERE ARE THE PRODUCERS' FAVORITE RIGHT ANSWER.

>>> I'M SIX, AND THE ANSWER IS, LILA MONETTI.

>>> YEAH, CLAIRE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

LILA MONETTI, AN AMERICAN GIRL DOLL WAS THE GIRL OF THE YEAR IN 2024.

THE SERIES FEATURES MODERN-ERA GIRLS, AND APPROXIMATE LILA IS A 10-YEAR-OLD FROM ST.

PAUL WHO NAGIVATES NAVIGATING HER LOVE OF HORSEBACK RIDING WITH GYMNASTICS.

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