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PEACE AND KOSOVO HAS LONG BEEN FRAGILE AND TENSIONS WITH ITS NEIGHBORS, SERBIA, ARE RIGHT NOW TOURING INTERNATIONAL CONCERN, WASHINGTON SAYS IT'S ZONE UNPRECEDENTED BUILDUP OF TROOPS ON THE BORDER.

SERBIA'S ARMY CHIEF TODAY SAYS THAT YOU HAVE WITHDRAWN.

THE HUGE ARMED CASH.

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

IT WAS NOT THE CASE.

YOU KNOW, OUR ARMY PEOPLE, THEY DO FOLLOW THE SITUATION AND THE FIELD, AND THEY MOVE OUR WERE FORCES IN A WAY THAT THEY BELIEVE IT CAN BE I DON'T KNOW, THE MOST TRUTHFUL AND TO HAVE THEIR OWN OPERATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DID NOT SIGN EVEN A HIGH ALERT FOR OUR ARMY PEOPLE.

AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS.

AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAS NOT ACCESSING, NOT EVEN 60 PERCENT OF WHAT WE USED TO.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THE FOLLOW-UP.

>> I NEED TO SAY, LET ME SAY THIS.

IT WAS NOT A PROOF OF ANYTHING.

BECAUSE SERBIA WAS THE LAST COUNTRY, THE LAST ENTITY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

THAT NEEDED THOSE INCIDENTS IN KOSOVO BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMISM OF THE ENTIRE NEGOTIATING PROCESS, EVERYBODY WAS SAYING THAT SERBIA WAS A CONSTRUCTIVE PART IN THE DIALOGUE PROCESS, THE SERBIA WAS DOING A LOT OF CONCESSION, THE OTHER SIDE WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING, THE OTHER SIDE WAS DOING A GRADUAL ETHNIC CLEANSING.

10% LESS SERBS LIST LIVING IN KOSOVO THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN -- CAME TO POWER, IT WAS 420 ATTACKS AGAINST SERBIAN CIVILIANS AGAINST SERBIAN PEOPLE IN COAST OF ALL.

>> LET'S TAKE SOME OF THESE, VICTIM WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH NUMBERS SIR.

WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH NUMBERS AND THE UNITED STATES AND THE EU >> I BELIEVE NUMBERS ARE IMPORTANT.

>> DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT KOSOVO CONDUCTED ETHNIC CLEANSING.

THE EU HAS SAID THAT FORCES, I.E., YOUR FORCES NEED TO STAND DOWN AND WE ALSO EXPECT THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT, NO IMPUNITY FOR THE PERPETRATORS, THEY NEED TO FACE JUSTICE, WE NEED TO GO BACK TO A SITUATION WHERE THE PARTIES ARE TALKING AND RETURNING TO THE EU FACILITATED DIALOGUE.

NOW, YOU ARE SAYING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HAVE PULLED BACK THE TROOPS AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THESE KIND OF THINGS.

WILL MILAN WHO ADMITTED DOING THIS AND TAKING PART IN IT WILL HE FACE ACCOUNTABILITY?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH HIM?

>> THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THIS.

>> KNOW, IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, WILL HE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS THE EU IS DEMANDING?

>> VERY SIMPLE RESPONSE TO YOU.

OF COURSE, SERBIA WILL HAVE ACCOUNTABLE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED CRIMINAL DEEDS.

AND THAT WE MIGHT FIND IN OUR TERRITORY AND PROSECUTORS WILL DO THEIR JOB.

THAT IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE IS IN VERY IMPORTANT.

THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.

I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE RULES OF THE PROBLEMS.

AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

IT'S OKAY FOR ME.

THE PROBLEM IS, THE SERBS WANTED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

I AM NOT GOING TO DEFEND THE KILLING OF ALBANIAN POLICE AND I DID NOT DO IT, I CONDEMN IT.

I AM SAYING THAT SERBS WERE ARRESTING WITH NO CHARGES HOME SERVICES SEARCHES, EVICTIONS, APPROPRIATIONS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BRUSSELS AGREEMENT WITH INTRIGUE NATIONAL PUBLIC LAW, ASSOCIATION OF SERBIAN MUNICIPALITIES, IT WAS NOT FORMED SO FAR.

SINCE 2013, 10 YEARS AGO WE SIGNED IT.

ALBANIAN REGIMES DID NOT WANT TO PROVIDE AND PEOPLE WANTED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

YOU CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES IN 1998, 1999, AND 2000.

>> YOU SORT OF CAN, SIR, BECAUSE -- >> DIALOGUE IS THE ONLY --A >> CORRECT.

THIS WILD WEST, YOU JUST SAID IT, WHICH HAS BEEN EXISTING FOR MANY YEARS NOW, TO THE DETRIMENT OF EVERYBODY IN THAT REGION, BUBBLY AND IF YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE DIALOGUE, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THE REASON A SET OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR KOSOVAR COUNTERPART WAS CONSIDERED A SUCCESS BY THE EU BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU EXCEPT THAT THE AGREEMENT, THERE WAS AIMED AT NORMALIZING RELATIONS, BUT YOU LEFT THE NEGOTIATIONS WITHOUT SIGNING THE DOCUMENT, MR. PRESIDENT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GOT BACK HOME ON SERBIAN TELEVISION, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD BEEN UNABLE TO SUNDAY" I HAVE EXCRUCIATING PAIN IN MY RIGHT HAND AND THAT PAIN IS YEARS".

SO DO YOU STILL HAVE A PAIN IN YOUR HAND?

AND OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD GET BACK TO WHAT THE EU IS CALLING FOR WHICH IS BACK TO THOSE NORMALIZATION TALKS?

>> ONCE AGAIN, MANY THANKS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OBJECTIVE MISS.

AND NOT BUYERS APPROACH AT ALL.

I WANTED TO SAY THAT PERHAPS YOU DID NOT FOLLOW WHAT THE EU WAS SAYING AFTER OUR LAST MEETING.

SERBIA WAS FULLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

EVEN JOSEPH BORELLI AND -- AS THE U.N.

WERE SAYING THAT SERBIA WAS CONSTRUCTIVE AND SERBIA ACCEPTED EVERY THING AND THAT ALBANIAN REPRESENTATIVES - - >> SIR, YOU DID NOT SIGN IT.

YOU DID NOT SIGN IT.

>> MUNICIPALITIES.

YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ARRANGEMENTS.

I WAS DOING WHATEVER.

WHATEVER I HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT, TO OUR FRIENDS FROM THE UNITED STATES, THE EUROPEAN UNION, AS I HAVE MY CONSTITUTION, SERBIAN CONSTITUTION WHICH I HAVE TO FOLLOW.

WHICH I HAVE TO RESPECT.

AND I WAS NOT HIDING ANYTHING IN THEIR PRESENCE.

I WAS SAYING EVERYTHING FACE-TO- FACE.

I TOO I.

TO THEM.

AND THEY BELIEVED ME.

I WAS ALWAYS SAYING THE TRUTH AND AFTER THAT, WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING THAT WE AGREED UPON, BUT --DID NOT WANT TO DO IT AND YOU HAD A VERY CLEAR SIGNAL FROM EUROPEAN UNION, FROM ALL FRIENDS, ALL THE ENVOYS AND MEDIATORS THAT IT WAS THEIR FAULT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ALL THIS INCIDENTS LIKE WE NEED TO BLAME SERBIA FOR EVERYTHING.

AND THEN IF YOU SEE, THE RESULT OF TWO YEARS OF --REGIME, THERE ARE THREE SERBS, ONE ALTOGETHER INCLUDING 11-YEAR-OLD KILLED JUST CARRYING A CROSS BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS.

>> MERCER PRESIDENT, YOU SAY WE WILL PUT THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO THE KOSOVAR LEADER WE TALK TO LATER THIS WEEK, BUT YOU SAY YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IS GETTING SERBIA INTO THE EU.

AND YOU KNOW THAT THE EU WILL NOT ACCESS EITHER OF YOU NEITHER CO-CIVIL NOR SERBIA IF YOU DON'T GO BACK TO NORMALIZATION.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE AND I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER FOR YOU, IT'S ACCEPTABLE AND IF NOT, WHY?

IT SEEMS THAT IF YOU WERE TO AGREE TO THE NORMALIZATION, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO RECOGNIZE KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS LIKE PASSPORTS, DIPLOMAS, LICENSE PLATES AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BLOCK MEMBERSHIP TO ANY INTERNAL INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

IN RETURN, CO-CIVIL HAS TO AGREE TO CERTAIN SERB ALLIANCES UP IN THAT AREA AND SERB RIGHTS UP IN THE AIR, ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THIS BIT THAT THE E YOU SAID?

>> YOU WE ARE VERY READY TO ALWAYS NEGOTIATE AND WE WERE VERY CONSTRUCTIVE AND WE WILL REMAIN SO.

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE EUROPEAN UNION ALREADY REALIZED, --IS NOT READY TO CREATE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES, THAT IS THE WEAKEST OBSTACLE AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH GRADUAL ETHNIC CLEANSING OF SERBS PARTICULARLY IN NORTHERN KOSOVO.

ANYWAY, I AM ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

ALWAYS AT THE DISPOSAL OF OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS, AMERICAN FRIENDS, ALL THE OTHERS.

AND WE WILL BE READY TO DISCUSS ALL THE ISSUES.

AS I SAID, AT OUR LAST MEETING, FORMED THE ASSOCIATION OF SERBIAN AND AS A PALLET IS AND WE WILL DELIVER EVERYTHING WE PROMISED.

I BELIEVE THAT IF PEACE, THE BEST INTEREST OF SERBIA, OF THE ENTIRE REGION, BECAUSE WE CAN BRING OURSELVES OF HAVING 63 PERCENT OF INVESTMENTS FROM THE COMING TO THE WESTERN BALKAN, SPEAKING OF SERBIA, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, WE HAVE MANY THINGS TO LOSE, WHY WOULD BE PLAY THIS KIND OF GAME?

>> NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT BECAUSE MAYBE'S POLITICS.

>> THAT IS WHY WE ARE DEDICATED TO CARRY ON THE GO STATION.

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BUT WE WATCHED THE STABILIZATION IN BOSNIA AND INTERESTING POLITICAL GAME BEING PLAYED, YOU SAID ONE THING INTERNALLY.

AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU HAVE SOME VERY POWERFUL AND FAMOUS CELEBRITY - -OKAY, FINE I WILL TAKE THAT ON BOARD.

IN MAY, -- >> I WAS ALWAYS VERY RESPONSIBLE AND VERY SERIOUS REGARDING BOSNIAN, ALWAYS SUPPORTING TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF BOSNIAN.

>> YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE THIS STABILIZATION?

GOOD, I WILL BE NICE TO HEAR THAT NOW.

>> I DO SUPPORT, DON'T PUT YOUR WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

I AM JUST SAYING THAT I DO SUPPORT TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF BOSNIA AND CERTAINLY IN YOU, AND I HAVE NEVER EVER PUT THAT INTO QUESTION.

>> CAN I ASK YOU HOW IT HELPS THE SITUATION WHEN A REALLY FAMOUS AND WORLD-RENOWNED SERB LIKE YOUR ATHLETE NOVAK DJOKOVIC WRITES ON THE CAMERA LENS KOSOVO IS THE HEART OF SERBIA, STOP THE VIOLENCE.

DO YOU APPROVE OF THAT?

THE TENNIS CHAMPIONSHIPS IN MAY IN FRANCE?

DO YOU APPROVE OF THAT KIND OF RHETORIC AND DOES IT HELP OR HURT THE SITUATION?

>> I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS HEART.

MY 99% OF PEOPLE SERBIAN BELIEVE IN THAT BUT I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, THE POLITICIANS, WE NEED TO BE PRAGMATIC, RATIONAL, WHICH MEANS THAT WE NEED TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO NEGOTIATING PROCESS THROUGH CONSTRUCTIVE APPROACH THAT WE NEED TO SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO TACKLE ALL THE PROBLEMS FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE NO ALBANIANS AND NO SERBS SUFFERING ANYMORE.

AND TO SEE HOW WE CAN OVERCOME ALL THIS DIFFICULTIES AND HOW WE CAN CREATE A BETTER FUTURE.

WHEN WITH OPEN BORDERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE LIES, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, JUST TO MAKE IT AND TO GET CLOSER FOR ALL PEOPLE.

THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION.

>> PRESIDENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING ME FROM BELGRADE TONIGHT.

WE WILL BE HEARING FROM KOSOVO'S PRESIDENT ON THIS PROGRAM TOMORROW.

EUROPEAN UNION FOREIGN MINISTERS ARE IN KEYV TODAY AND THE FIRST MEETING OF ALL 27 MEMBER OUTSIDE THE EU.

WHILE STATE PLEDGE THEY CONTINUE SUPPORT, THE QUESTION OF ADDITIONAL U.S. FUNDING FOR KEYV HANGS IN THE BALANCE AND THAT IS AFTER THAT SPENDING THE OLD PASSED OVER THE WEEKEND, DID NOT INCLUDE NEW AID FOR UKRAINE, IT DID HOWEVER AVERT AS SHUTDOWN AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER 45 DAYS.

WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS LAST- MINUTE MANEUVERING SAY ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS AND COMMITMENTS?

OR TO DISCUSS IS HEATHER MAGEE.

HEATHER MAGEE, WILL COME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> CAN I ASK YOU, IT APPEARS THAT THE GOVERNMENT SORT OF DODGED THE BULLET AND THE COUNTRY DODGED THE BULLET BY NOT SHUTTING DOWN IMMEDIATELY.

BUT IT HAS KICKED DOWN THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THIS AND HE'S THINK IT IS A SATISFACTORY AT LEAST INTERIM DEAL OR AGREEMENT?

>> FIRST OF ALL, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE WHERE THE REPUBLICANS SPEAKER AND THE PRESIDENT LAST YEAR, EARLIER IN THE YEAR NEGOTIATED A TWO-YEAR VISION FOR WHAT THE SPENDING LEVELS AND RESOURCES OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE.

WE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT AND THE REPUBLICANS WALKED AWAY FROM THAT.

THE KIND OF CONCESSIONS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE FAR RIGHT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTED WERE DISASTROUS.

ABSOLUTELY AND SET UNACCEPTABLE THE KIND OF THINGS AMERICAN FAMILIES WANT TO SEE, 80% CUT TO THE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, 80%.

200 THOUSAND CLASSROOM EDUCATORS LOSING THEIR JOBS.

80,000, THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT.

THERE'S NO WAY DEMOCRATS WERE GOING TO GIVE ON THOSE FAR RIGHT EXTREME ANTIGOVERNMENT POSITIONS.

SO WE WERE FACING A TOWN THAT SEEM TO BOTH PARTIES AND ALL COMMENTATORS, ALMOST INEVITABLE.

BUT THEN THE GOOD THING HAPPENED WHICH IS THAT SPEAKER McCARTHY RECOGNIZE THAT HE CAN'T KEEP NEGOTIATING WITH HOSTAGE TAKERS AND HE HAD TO LOOK TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO FORGE A COMPROMISE.

IT IS A GOOD COMPROMISE, ONE THAT KEEPS THE GOVERNMENT OPEN, KEEPS PEOPLE RECEIVING THE PAYMENT, KEEPS THE PLANES IN THE SKY.

KEEPS OUR FULL FAITH AND CREDIT STRONG AND 45 DAYS IS A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AS YOU SAID.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T KEEP HAVING THIS KIND OF BRINK WHAT IS A TINY MINORITY OF THE HOUSE FAR RIGHT REPUBLICAN CAUCUS SEEKING TO IMPOSE ITS UNDEMOCRATIC WILL ON THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS.

>> LET ME SAY, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAID, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID ABOUT THE SPENDING BILL.

REMINDING AMERICANS THAT IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE COME TO THIS.

>> QUITE FRANKLY, I AM SICK AND TIRED, SICK AND TIRED OF THE -- SO ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

I NEVER HAVE QUITE SEEN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS OR ANY CONGRESS ACT LIKE THIS.

>> SO I WANT YOU TO BREAK DOWN OUR INTERNATIONAL VIEWERS TO WATCH THIS, INVOLVES SPENDING ON FOREIGN POLICY GOALS LIKE AID TO UKRAINE.

A POLL IN SEPTEMBER SHOWS THE PUBLIC TRUST IS ON THE IMMEDIATE ALL-TIME LOW.

THEY ALSO SAY A POX TO BOTH THE HOUSES, IS IT REPUBLICANS AGAINST THEM THAT'S OR REPUBLICANS AGAINST REPUBLICANS?

>> FOR SURE, WE HAVE A BATTLE GOING ON FOR THE HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BETWEEN TRADITIONAL REPUBLICANS WHO ARE THE MAJORITY STILL TO THIS DAY OF THE PARTY, AND THE FAR RIGHT CONSERVATIVES.

THE KIND OF AGENDA THE FAR RIGHT REPUBLICANS WANT TO SEE IS OUT OF STEP WITH THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS, OUT OF STEP WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND REMEMBER THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT BELONG TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

SO IT IS AN INTERNAL FEUD.

IT IS ALSO A DEEPER PROBLEM BECAUSE IT GOES NOT JUST TO THE REPUBLICAN VERSUS FAR RIGHT THERE VERSUS DEMOCRAT, VERSUS BUT IT IS DEMOCRACY VERSUS STALEMATE IN CRISIS, MATCHES THE BRING IN SHIP OVER THE HOUSE FOR VOTE 'S, HE HAD TO TAKE 15 VOTES AND WE HAVE SEEN AS A PUNISHMENT FOR THE DEAL OF WRITING THE SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE LEADERS OF FREEDOM CAUCUS THE FAR RIGHT CAUCUS SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO RECALL, DO A VOTE OF NO-CONFIDENCE TO SPEAKER McCARTHY, THAT WILL PUT HIS SPEAKERSHIP IN DANGER.

BUT ALL ACROSS THE CONGRESS, THE KIND OF WAYS IN WHICH THIS NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NORMALIZED THINGS LIKE THE FILIBUSTER AND SECRET HOLDS, SO WE HAVE A FIT ONLY A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT TO DO THE NORMAL BUSINESS OF CONGRESS.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE LONG HISTORY, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING, THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT THE THINGS I WRITE ABOUT IN MY BOOK, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE IN A CONTEST ABOUT WHETHER A MULTIRACIAL DEMOCRACY CAN TRULY THRIVE IN AMERICA BECAUSE THESE FAR RIGHT LEGISLATORS REPRESENT AN OLDER, WIDER, MORE CONSERVATIVE MINORITY OF THE POPULATION.

THEY ARE SEEING AN OVERWHELMING MULTIRACIAL, YOUNGER ELECTORATE THAT ONCE BASIC THINGS OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED LIKE UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE, TRULY GUARANTEED AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE, THE KINDS OF STUDENT DEBT CANCELLATION IS ABLE TO SURVIVE A SUPREME COURT CASE, THESE ARE THE KINDS, THIS AGENDA IS SORT OF AGENDA TO ADDRESS BASIC HUMAN NEEDS TO ADDRESS AND INEQUALITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN STALLED BY A SHRINKING RADICAL MINORITY.

SO THESE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO FUNCTION ARE ULTIMATELY ABOUT THAT DEEPER CONTEST.

>> I WANT TO READ SOME OF THESE VERY IMPORTANT CUTS THAT WILL AFFECT ACTUAL PEOPLE.

YOU REFERRED TO SOME OF WHAT WAS BEING AVERTED BUT SOME OF THE CUTS WOULD REDUCE FEDERAL SPENDING ON NUTRITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR FULL POOR MOTHERS OF THEM CHILDREN AND HOUSING SUBSIDIES, HOME HEATING ASSISTANCE, CLIMATE PROGRAMS, EDUCATION AND RADICAL RESEARCH.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED A MULTIRACIAL COUNTRY.

I WONDER WHAT YOU MADE OF THE LAST REPUBLICAN DEBATE AND SOUTH CAROLINA SENATOR TIM SCOTT ESSENTIALLY TAKING ON LG LBJ'S CIVIL RIGHTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT CAME IN THAT, IN THOSE YEARS TO TRY TO COMBAT THE HISTORY OF RACISM IN THE U.S.

THIS IS WHAT HE SAID >> BLACK FAMILIES SURVIVED SLAVERY.

WE SURVIVED FULL TAXES AND LITERACY TESTS, WE SURVIVED DISCRIMINATION BEING WOVEN INTO THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY.

IT WAS HARD TO SURVIVE WAS JOHNSON'S GREAT SOCIETY WHERE THEY DECIDED TO PUT MONEY WHERE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE A BLACK FATHER OUT OF THE HOUSE TO GET NOW MEASURE THAT IN AN EMPLOYMENT, IN CRIME, IN DEVASTATION.

>> HEATHER MAGEE, YOU CAN IMAGINE THE MEMBERS OF THE LBJ COHORT REALLY STRUCK BACK AT THAT AND LISTED ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT DID INCLUDING AND SPECIALTY FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED AND BLACK FAMILIES.

CAN YOU BREAK DOWN WHAT TIM SCOTT WAS SAYING?

AND YOUR RESPONSE.

>> HE WAS AN ASTONISHING MOMENT, IT WAS INSULTING, SO MANY BLACK FAMILIES DID NOT SURVIVE SLAVERY.

DID NOT SURVIVE DISCRIMINATION AND LYNCHING AND WE DID NOT THRIVE ECONOMICALLY UNDER THE RACIST REGIME THAT WAS THE MAJORITY OF OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY.

WHAT HE IS SAYING THOUGH IS A VERY SMALL KERNEL OF TRUTH IN THE IDEA THAT THE WAY THAT THE WELFARE BENEFITS OF THE WAR ON POVERTY WERE ADMINISTERED.

PUNISHED FAMILIES THAT HAD A MALE IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

THAT LITTLE PIECE HE HAS TAKEN ON TO MEAN THAT GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN TRYING TO HELP IMPOVERISHED FAMILIES, WHITE, BLACK OR BROWN.

HE'S ALSO DOING A VERY CONSERVATIVE TROPE THAT GETS A BLACK MAN LIKE HIM TO BE SUPPORTED BY REPUBLICANS WHICH IS THE IDEA THAT THE KIND OF POVERTY THAT WE SEE ACROSS AMERICA AND ALSO IN BLACK COMMUNITIES IS THE FAULT OF POOR FAMILIES THEMSELVES.

THE FAULT OR CHOICES INSTEAD OF THE TERRIBLE CHOICES THAT ARE FORCED UPON FAMILIES, THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHOM HAVE WORKING ADULTS AND PAID TOO LITTLE OFTEN BY VERY PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS TO BE ABLE TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES RELIABLY.

SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONSERVATIVE POLITICS TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM A COMMUNITY OF COLOR SAYING THE KIND OF ULTIMATE VIVEK HIM BLAMING AND RACIST THINGS THAT GO PASS AS TRUTH IN THAT PARTY BUT IT HAS VERY LITTLE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE AND FUNDAMENTALLY, IS BEING USED BY CONSERVATIVES TO IGNORE SYSTEMIC RACISM.

>> CAN I GO BACK TO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PROGRAMS AND SOME PROGRAMS ARE BE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY DON'T LIKE TO SEE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS OR THEY DON'T LIKE POLITICIANS.

LET'S LOOK AT THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM THAT'S WORKING, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMA CARE, IN 2010, DEMOCRAT SAID THAT IT WILL CONTROL MEDICARE GOVERNMENT SPENDING WHICH IS HUGE.

THE "NEW YORK TIMES" RAN THIS ONE SHOWS THAT MEDICAL SPENDING HAS BEEN MOSTLY FLAT SINCE THAT HEALTHCARE BILL PASSED, ALMOST $4 TRILLION SAVED US ON WHAT IS PROJECTED, THAT IS A HUGE EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS PROMISED AND WHAT IS DELIVERED AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS SIGNED UP TO THIS.

AND YET, IT DOESN'T SEEM THESE STORIES, THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT ABLE TO PROPERLY TELL THESE STORIES.

>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

GREAT FRUSTRATION, WHETHER IT IS THE ENORMOUS SUCCESSES OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WHICH IS KEPT A YOUNG ADULT AND THEIR FAMILIES HEALTH INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 26 WHICH HAS BROUGHT DOWN COST AND A LONG-HELD CAMPAIGN PROMISE OF DEMOCRATS TO ALLOW MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE WITH BIG PHARMA TO BE ABLE TO HAVE REASONABLE DRUG PRICES AND WE PAY MORE FOR DRUGS THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD.

THESE THINGS, AMERICANS IN BIPARTISAN MAJORITIES REALLY WANT AND SUPPORT.

AND YET, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ENOUGH MEDIA NARRATIVE ABOUT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT CAN DELIVER AND THE SUCCESSES.

INSTEAD WE HAD THINGS LIKE YOU SAW THE REPUBLICAN DEBATE BLAMING GOVERNMENT AND BLAMING POOR FAMILIES FOR ANY OF THE BILLS IN SOCIETY.

THE CHILD TAX CREDIT, CUT CHILD POVERTY IN HALF YET THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF A MOVEMENT TO DATE AS A PERMANENT THING SO WE HAVE SEEN CHILD POVERTY INCREASE.

>> IT IS REALLY SAD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

AND NOW TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER WHO TURNED 99 YESTERDAY.

THE OLDEST LIVING FORMER AMERICAN PRESIDENT SEVEN MONTHS AFTER HE ENTERED HOSPICE CARE.

MORE THAN 14,000 PEOPLE WROTE TO HIM FOR HIS BIRTHDAY WITH MESSAGES FROM ECUADOR TO AUSTRALIA AND ALL THE POINTS IN BETWEEN.

THIS WAS THE BIRTHDAY WISH FROM THE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.

>> MR. PRESIDENT, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PAL.

I HAVE ADMIRED YOU BECAUSE HE HAD SUCH INCREDIBLE INTEGRITY, CHARACTER AND DETERMINATION AND I CONSIDER OF IT GREAT HONOR TO KNOW YOU AND WORK WITH YOU AND I HOPE I CAN BE ONE HALF THE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE BEEN.

GOD LOVE YOU.

>> SO JOINING ME NOT TO DISCUSS HIS MONUMENTAL LIFE AND HOW HE EVEN IF HE IS OUT RUNNING DEATH IS PAGE ALEXANDER, CEO OF THE CARTER CENTER.

JOINING ME FROM ATLANTA, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE JUST ASTOUNDED THAT WHEN SOMEBODY ANNOUNCES THEY ARE GOING INTO HOSPICE CARE IS ESSENTIALLY AN END-OF-LIFE SIGNAL AND THE SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR HIS ROBUSTNESS STILL?

>> HE NEVER CEASES TO SURPRISE US.

WE TOO THOUGHT IT WAS A MATTER DAYS.

HE WANTED TO BE THERE WITH ROSS LYNN AND IT GIVES AN ENERGY ALONG WITH ALL THE WELL WISHES THAT PEOPLE CONTINUED TO EXPRESS OVER THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS.

ESPECIALLY THE BIRTHDAY THEM IS A WE PUT TOGETHER WE HAD WELL WISHES AND ON HIS BIRTHDAY AND GRANDSON, JASON, TOLD ME HE TEARED UP.

>> TELL US HOW HE IS AND WHEN DID YOU LAST SEE AND SPEAK TO HIM?

>> HE IS DOING AS WELL AS, CAN BE EXPECTED AT 99, HE IS QUITE LIMITED.

MENTALLY, THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE HUMAN CASES OF --COUNTY FOR HE IS MENTALLY QUITE INTERESTED AND LEGACY AND WORK HE HAS PUT IN TO LET THE NEGLECT DID DISEASES.

THAT KEEPS HIM GOING.

>> THAT WAS SOMETHING JIMMY CARTER HAD A COMPLICATED PRESIDENCY.

HE WAS ONE TERM PRESIDENT.

AND HE BELIEVED HE HAD A MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL POST-PRESIDENCY WHETHER IT WAS MONITORING ELECTIONS, OBTAINING DEMOCRATIC OR AS YOU SAY, THE GUINEA WORM CAMPAIGN.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WHAT DID HE SET OUT TO DO AND WHAT HAS BEEN ACHIEVED?

>> OF HIS PRESIDENCY, I SPENT ALMOST 2 DECADES IN GOVERNMENT NOT UNDER HIM, BUT APPRECIATING EVERYTHING HE PUT IN PLACE FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE, TO DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS, LABOR AND DEMOCRACY, HE REALLY PUT DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND ENERGY, ALL THE PLACES WHEN HE WAS INVOLUNTARILY RETIRED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE HE AND MRS. CARTER LIKE TO SAY, HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THESE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF PEACE AND GLOBAL HEALTH AND THE CARTER CENTER WAS FOUNDED UNDER THE PREMISE THAT THIS COULD BE DONE.

IF YOU GET PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE TOGETHER, THEY CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

HE KNEW AS A NUMBER PRESIDENT, HE STILL WILL DID A LOT OF RESPECT FOR 40 YEARS THAT HAS HE HAS WORKED ON FOR HIM.

>> HE BROUGHT THE FIRST EVER PEACE TREATY CAMP DAVID BETWEEN ISRAEL AND AN ARAB COMPANY THAT WAS EGYPT BACK IN 1979.

THAT WAS ONE OF HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL FOREIGN POLICY LEGACIES.

TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS, I WANT TO PLAY HIS FAREWELL SPEECH WHEN HE WAS INVOLUNTARILY RETIRED AS THEY LIKE TO SAY.

>> STRUGGLE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.

OVERRIDES ALL DIFFERENCES OF COLOR OR NATION OR LANGUAGE.

THOSE WHO HUNGER FOR FREEDOM.

WHO THIRST FOR HUMAN DIGNITY.

AND WHO SUFFER FOR THE SAKE OF JUSTICE.

THEY ARE THE PATRIOTS OF THIS CAUSE.

I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT AMERICA MUST ALWAYS STAND FOR THESE BASIC HUMAN RIGHT AT HOME AND ABROAD THAT IS BOTH OUR HISTORY AND OUR THE CITY.

>> OF COURSE, HE WON THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE FOR DECADES OF TRYING TO FIND PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS IN THE WORLD.

HIM ABOUT THAT, I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU STARTED OFF BY SAYING, HE WANTS TO A STAY ALIVE FOR ROSS LYNN AND SHE HAS ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA YOU TELL ME WHAT IS IT LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR 77 YEARS, SOME OF HIS FAMILY ATTRIBUTE THE LONGEVITY TO THE FACT THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE HER, THEY SPOKE ABOUT COURT THE RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN TO THEIR LIVES.

>> HOW HAS YOUR LONG AND VIBRANT MARRIAGE IN ENRICH YOUR LIFE AND WORK?

>> I DON'T KNOW [ LAUGHTER ] I HAVE BEEN MARRIED ALL OF MY LIFE ALMOST.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN REACHED MORE IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR JIMMY CARTER.

>> IF WE HADN'T HAD A GOOD VIBRANT AND ACTIVE MARRIAGE, WE COULD NOT HAVE HAD, I COULD NOT COULD NOT HAVE HAD CARTER CENTER.

BACK >> [ APPLAUSE ] >> SO YOU SPENT A LONG TIME AROUND THEM.

GIVE US THIS A FEELING OF WHAT IT'S LIKE AROUND THEM.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN LIFE PARTNERS EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE WHETHER HE WAS RAISING FOUR KIDS AND UP TO ABOUT 40 CHILDREN GREAT GRANDCHILDREN, OR WHETHER IT WAS IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION IN GEORGIA OR WHITE HOUSE OR THE LAST 40 YEARS AT THE CARTER CENTER AS LIFE PARTNERS THEY REALLY COMPLEMENTED EACH OTHER SO WELL.

SHE HAS BEEN CONCERN ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, FOR 50 YEARS.

WHEN SHE TOOK ON THAT ROLE, HE WAS INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE AND THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER FORMED THE POST-PRESIDENCY AT THE CARTER CENTER WHICH IS CARRIED US FORWARD AND AREA THAT I DON'T THINK A LOT OF COUPLE WERE TOGETHER AND I DON'T THINK THE CARTER CENTER HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL HAD THEY NOT TOGETHER, THEN YOU IS WHAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM IT.

>> A LOT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN A LOT OF THE TRIBUTES AND STORIES LEADING UP TO THE 99th.

ABOUT THE SAVING PROPERTIES OF PEANUT BUTTER ICE CREAM AND WE ALL REMEMBER THAT HIS BIO WOULD LIST HIM AS A PEANUT FARMER BEFORE HE BECAME A POLITICIAN.

>> I THINK HE IS LIVING PROOF THAT IF YOU LIVE LIFE AND YOU EXERCISE AND YOU EAT RESPONSIBLY AND YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, A THIS STAGE IN YOUR LIFE IF YOU DECIDE THAT PEANUT BUTTER ICE FROM HIS WIFE YOU HAVE ONE TO HAVE ALL DAY IS A PROOF OF CONCEPT THAT YOU LIVE A LONG TIME.

IT DOES HAVE SOME HEALING POWERS BECAUSE IT IS STILL HIS GO TO FAVORITE FOOD AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THE JUST LEAVE IT ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS ANYMORE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH INDEED.

PRESIDENT CARTER, 99 YEARS OLD.

DONALD TRUMP THE FORMER PRESIDENT WAS BACK IN COURT TODAY.

THIS TIME THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS ANSWERING FOR HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN NEW YORK AND HIS EMPIRE MIGHT BE AT STAKE.

THE SELF-DESCRIBED PROPERTY MOGUL HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND LIABLE FOR PERSISTENT AND REPEATED FRAUD IN THE CIVIL TRIAL.

DAVID K JOHNSON IS A PULITZER PRIZE ECONOMICS REPORTER AND HE JOINS HARI TO DISCUSS WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.

>> DAVID K JOHNSON, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

LAST WEEK, THE JUDGE FOUND THAT THE PRESIDENT THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PERSISTENTLY COMMITTED FRAUD.

AS HE BUILT UP HIS EMPIRE OF BUSINESSES IN NEW YORK.

IF YOU COULD, FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION ON WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE JUDGE SAID IS THERE.

>> THE ISSUE HAD TO DO WITH THE VALUES TRUMP BASED ON SOME OF HIS BUSINESS IS PRINCIPALLY, REAL ESTATE.

REAL ESTATE IS A RANGE OF VALUE, YOU KNOW WHAT IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU THINK IS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, IT WILL NOT SELL FOR $200 MILLION.

THE TRUMP VALUED SOME OF HIS PROPERTIES AT MORE THAN 10 TIMES WHAT AN ALREADY GENEROUS APPRAISAL HAD SHOWN THEY WERE WORTH.

HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE WHOLE 35 YEARS I'VE KNOWN HIM, MAKING CLAIMS LIKE THIS.

FINALLY, IT'S BECOME A LEGAL ISSUE.

>> FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT TRANSLATES IN TO THE REST OF THE BUSINESS AND BY INFLATING THE VALUE OF YOUR PENTHOUSE AND HOW BIG IT IS OR HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH, WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE YOU GET FROM THAT?

>> IT ALLOWED TRUMP TO GET LARGER LOANS ON BETTER TERMS.

BECAUSE IT UP HERE TO THE BANKS THAT THEIR RISK LEVEL WAS SLOWER BECAUSE THE SHARE OF THE VALUE THAT WAS REPRESENTED WAS SMALLER.

SO EVEN THOUGH THE BANKS ALL GOT PAID BACK THIS TIME, THE FACT IS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DID NOT GET LOANS THEY MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE BANKS ALL HAVE A LIMITED LENDING CAPACITY.

>> HOW BIG OF A DECISION IS THIS?

>> THIS IS IN INCREDIBLY DAMAGING TO DONALD TRUMP.

IT GOES TO THE HEART OF WHO HE IS.

DONALD IS HIS MONEY.

HE HAS ALWAYS SAYING THAT HE HAS MORE MONEY THAN HE HAS.

ONCE HE TOLD ME HE WAS WORTH $3 BILLION, I TOLD HIM I DID NOT BELIEVE HIM.

HE WAS SO UPSET LATER THAT AFTERNOON, HE TOLD ANOTHER JOURNALIST WAS WORTH $5 BILLION.

HE JUST MAKES THIS STUFF UP.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EVER BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.

>> LARGE WAY, THE CASE THAT HE MADE WHEN HE WAS RUNNING, THE FIRST TIME WAS THAT I AM A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, I BUILD THE SAME AND I CAN DO THE SAME FOR THE COUNTRY.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY'S CASE.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT.

BUSINESSMAN AS LAID OUT IN HIS BOOK, THE ART OF THE DEAL, WHAT HE DOES IS RIP PEOPLE OFF AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT VICTIM AND IT'S VERY CLEAR IF YOU READ THE BOOK THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.

HE HAS A LONG HISTORY OF NOT PAYING HIS WORKERS.

NOT PAYING VENDORS, EMPLOYING ILLEGAL ALIENS AND REFUSING TO PLAY PAY THEM UNTIL HE THREATENS TO KILL THE SUPERVISOR.

TRUMP'S WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN A FACADE.

I ADMIRE HIS INCREDIBLE SKILL AT TELLING PEOPLE AND PERSUADING PEOPLE.

HE IS WHAT IS IN.

>> WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

>> THIS TRIAL IS ONLY ABOUT THE DAMAGES DUE TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO GET THE JUDGE LAST WEEK CANCELED DONALD TRUMP'S BUSINESS CERTIFICATES, BUSINESS LICENSES.

HE CANNOT DO BUSINESS IN NEW YORK.

THERE'S A MONITOR WATCHING THE COMPANIES.

HE CANNOT TAKE MONEY OUT OF THEM TO SUPPORT HIMSELF.

IS SET, THE BUSINESSES WILL BE SOLD.

AND ALL OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION ENTERPRISES MORE THAN 500 HAVE TO BE DIVESTED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, YOU CANNOT RUN A BUSINESS, UNLESS LIKE ME, AS A BOOK AUTHOR, YOU ARE A SOLE PROPRIETOR.

THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE, WILL APPOINT A RECEIVER AT SOME POINT.

THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE APPEALS AND ARGUMENTS.

BECAUSE DONALD NO LONGER HAS BUSINESS LICENSES IN NEW YORK, THE RECEIVER WILL ACCEPT ALL THE PROPERTY, HE WILL PUT IT FOR SALE, JUST AS HAPPENS IN BANKRUPTCY, THIS IS STATE BUSINESS LAW.

THE SALE PRICES ARE GOING TO BE MUCH MORE FIRESALE PRICES THAN PRICES.

THE CREDITORS GET PAID FIRST.

PEOPLE HAVE MORTGAGES ON THE BUILDING SECOND, THE GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE FINES, THE STATE IS SEEKING $250 MILLION IN PENALTIES.

THE PERSON WHO GETS PAID LAST, DONALD TRUMP.

>> COULD THE CHILDREN STILL PROFIT FROM THIS?

>> NO.

TWO OF HIS SONS ARE NAMED IN THIS LITIGATION.

ALONG WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND DONALD'S EYES WIDE OPEN BLIND TRUST THAT HE CREATED WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT ALL OF THOSE ARE COVERED BY THIS.

IVANKA TRUMP GOT HERSELF OUT OF THE CASE.

THE TWO YOUNGER CHILDREN ARE NOT INVOLVED IN IT WHATSOEVER.

SO DONALD IS OUT OF BUSINESS IN NEW YORK.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF LITIGATION.

THIS WILL BE FULL EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM FOR LAWYERS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, DONALD TRUMP WILL NOT HAVE HIS ENTERPRISES AND BUSINESSES AND HE MAY WELL LOSE MAR-A-LAGO.

>> WILL THAT WAS THAT ALSO INFLATED IN VALUE QUESTION MARK >> ONE OF HIS COMPLAINTS IS THAT IT IS WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, ONE WHO IS THAT.

THE JUDGE SAID IT'S WORTH $18 MILLION.

>> REMEMBER IT'S A BUSINESS, IT HAS HOTEL ROOMS AND THEY HOLD WEDDINGS AND FUNCTIONS, IT IS NOT A PERSONAL HOME.

CANNOT SHIELD IT FROM THIS ACTION BY THE GOVERNMENT.

ALL OF HIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO BE LIQUIDATED AND WILL BE DONE BY THE COURT APPOINTED RECEIVER AND THE PERSON WHO GETS PAID LAST IS DONALD AND GIVEN THE INFLATED VALUES, YOU WILL NOT END UP MUCH OF ANYTHING.

>> COULDN'T TRUMP SAY LOOK, I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT.

I TRUSTED EVERYBODY AROUND ME.

YOU SHOULD TAKE IT UP WITH WEISSELBERG, WITH LOTS OF OTHERS, YOU SHOULD CALL THE BANKS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO APPROVED MY INFLATED NUMBERS, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE FINDING.

SHOULDN'T THE BANKS HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY HERE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE VERY POOR JOB WE DO OF REGULATING BANKS IN AMERICA.

IN RECENT YEARS, WE FOUND ONE OF THE SIX TO FEEL BANKS CREATED FRAUDULENT ACCOUNTS.

WE ARE DOING A BAD JOB OF REGULATING BANKS.

THAT REGULATION GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO HAMMURABI'S CODE FOR THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

AS FOR DONALD TRYING TO BLAME OTHER PEOPLE, HE ALWAYS DOES THAT.

DONALD WAS PASSED IN 2016 CAMPAIGN, YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU ASKED GOD FOR FORGIVENESS, AND HE SAID, ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS?

WHY WOULD I DO THAT QUESTION MARK I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING IN MY LIFE THAT REQUIRES ASKING FORGIVENESS.

DONALD NEVER ASSUMES RESPONSE ABILITY.

HE ALWAYS BLAMES OTHER PEOPLE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT.

IN THE COURT OF LAW, ARGUMENTS THAT --ARE NOT THE ISSUE.

CLEAR AND VERY WELL DEVELOPED AND THE EVIDENCE AGAINST DONALD IN THIS CASE IS OVERWHELMING.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ THE JUDGE'S OPINION, DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER TO UNDERSTAND IT.

HE LAYS OUT.

CLEARLY, THIS WAS CALCULATED INTENTIONAL FRAUD AND AS SOME OF HIS EXECUTIVES USED TO TELL ME AND AS MICHAEL COHEN HAS SAID TO ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE, NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WITHOUT THE DIRECTION AND APPROVAL OF MR. TRUMP.

>> HE SAID HE WILL APPEAL THE DECISION.

HE CALLED IT QUOTE COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE FACTS IN GOVERNING LAW.

TRUMP SAID, IT WAS A POLITICAL PERSECUTION, WALK US THROUGH THE POTENTIAL APPEALS PROCESS FOR DONALD TRUMP.

>> IN THE CIVIL CASE, DONALD CAN ONLY APPEAL ON MATTERS OF THE LAW.

HE CANNOT APPEAL ON THE FINDINGS THE FACT THAT THE JUDGE WHICH ARE THOROUGHLY DESCRIBED IN THE 35 PAGE OPINION WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES INCLUDING TRUMP'S OWN STATEMENTS WHERE HE IN ESSENCE SAID ABOUT HIS FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU CAN'T REPLY ON MY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THE JUDGE SAID WE ARE NOT LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD.

HE ASSERTED HE REGULATED APARTMENT WAS WORTH JUST AS MUCH AS A FREE-MARKET APARTMENT WHICH IS ABSURD.

THE JUDGE KNOCKED DOWN.

THEY WILL APPEAL ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT THE LAW THAT WILL BE IGNORED.

THEY MAY FIND SOME TECHNICAL ISSUE.

I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ONE AND I HAVE INTERVIEWED OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE CIVIL LAW AND THEY DON'T SEE ANYTHING EITHER THAT IS APPEALABLE AS A MATTER AND SUCCESSFULLY APPEALABLE.

THERE'S NO APPEAL TO FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE THERE'S NO FEDERAL ISSUE, THIS IS A NEW YORK STATE ISSUE.

STATES DECIDE WHO GETS TO RUN A BUSINESS UNDER OUR SYSTEM, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE FOUNDING FATHERS NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT CORPORATIONS AND REGULATION WHEN THEY WROTE THE CONSTITUTION.

>> HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TIME WHAT LINE WISE FOR THE PROGRESSION OF THIS?

>> THAT DEPENDS ON HOW SUCCESSFUL HIS LAWYERS ARE IN DELAY AND DONALD HAS ALWAYS BEEN BIG ON DELAYING HIS LAWYERS MADE UP FACTS LIKE CLIENT DOES.

FIVE OF THEM WERE EACH FINED $7500 FOR FRIVOLOUS DOCUMENTS ARGUMENTS THAT THE JUDGE REJECTED AND THEY ACTUALLY LIMITED THE CODED LANGUAGE OF AN IMPORTANT COURT CASE TO TURN IT ON ITS HEAD.

THEY ARE UNCLEAN HANDS.

THE AIR MISCONDUCT HERE.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SYMPATHETIC APPEALS COURT.

FRANKLY, THEY MAY FACE DISBARMENT OR OTHER DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS BY THE NEW YORK STATE BAR.

>> IF THE PRESIDENT LOOSES THE APPEALS, THE STATUS OF HIS ABILITY TO DO BUSINESS IS IN THE FUTURE IS ONE THING, ALL OF THESE EXISTING BUSINESSES WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM, THEY HAVE TO BE LIQUIDATED?

>> THEY WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER THE EYE OF A MONITOR, A RETIRED JUDGE NAMED BARBARA JONES, DONALD CANNOT TAKE ANY SALARY OR MONEY FROM THEM.

THE REASON IS, THESE ARE ILL- GOTTEN GAINS.

IF YOU COMMITTED FRAUD AND YOU MADE A PROFIT BECAUSE OF A FRAUD, THAT IS AN ILL-GOTTEN GAIN.

YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYER WHO YOU WORK FOR WHO CLOSES FRIDAY NIGHT AND OPENS UP ON MONDAY.

YOU TAKE $100 FROM THE EMPLOYER.

YOU GO TO THE CASINO I IN 1000.

HE PUT THE HUNDRED DOLLARS BACK BEFORE THIS IS REOPENS.

YOU COMMITTED TO CRIMES.

ONE, YOU ARE A PIECE, THE SECOND, YOUR CASINO WIN IS AN ILL-GOTTEN GAIN AND IF YOUR CARD, YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP ALL OF THAT MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.

ILL-GOTTEN GAINS, HAVE TO BE TURNED BACK.

AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE ARE GOING TO BE.

WE ONLY KNOW THE NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ASKED FOR $250 MILLION INDICATING THE SCOPE OF THIS WHICH IS ENORMOUS.

>> REGARDLESS OF HOW THE MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, THERE ARE EMPLOYEES IN MANY GROUNDSKEEPER, TO THE DOORMAN.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?

>> WILL CONTINUE TO GET PAID AND BUSINESSES OPERATE AND TO THE NEW OWNER COMES ALONG.

THE BUSINESSES WILL OPERATE AS THEY HAVE BEEN AT NIGHT AT THE DIRECTION OF THE TRUMP AND HIS SONS AND NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT.

IS THERE ANYTHING SURPRISING TO YOU, YOU'RE NOT THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS BEEN FOLLOWING TRUMP AS CLOSELY AS YOU HAVE FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS.

WHEN YOU SAW SOMETHING, AND YOU JUMP OUT FOR YOU?

>> NO.

INTERESTING QUESTION.

THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH HIS LONG HISTORY OF CREATING HIS OWN REALITY.

HE SAYS IT AND IN HIS MIND, THAT MAKES IT SO.

THE OVER VALUATIONS, I HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST, HE CLAIMED HIS ESTATE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY NORTH OF MANHATTAN WAS WORTH $291 MILLION HIGHEST APPRAISAL ABOUT 30 MILLION, BASED ON THE IDEA THAT HE COULD CARVE IT UP INTO A GROUP OF OTHER MANSIONS AND YET LOCAL AUTHORITY SAID NO.

HE WILL NOT LET YOU CARVE IT UP WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT WORTH THAT IT AT 40 TIMES WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY WORTH.

ANNUAL AND SHEER, IF HE SAID HIS 11,000 SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENT WAS 12 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, BUT HE SAID IT WAS OVER 30,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT IS FRAUD PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

>> THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THE MANHATTAN DA WAS INVESTIGATING FORMER PRESIDENT AND DECLINED TO BRING CHARGES, THIS IS A RESULT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL LETITIA JAMES FILING THIS SUIT, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SCOPE?

>> THE JUDGE IN THE CURRENT CIVIL CASE REPEATEDLY CITES CRIMINAL LAW.

TRY AND SOME OTHERS HAVE WRITTEN ARTICLE THAT THERE'S A STRONG CRIMINAL FRAUD CASE THE DIFFERENCE IS CRIMINAL FRAUD REQUIRES PROOF BEYOND A WHERE AS A CIVIL CASE, YOU ONLY NEED A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE MORE THAN HALF.

SO LETITIA JAMES TOOK THE EASIER ROUTE.

I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, ALL THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORIAL AGENCY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THESE AS A CRIMINAL FRAUD MATTER?

I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO, BUT I THINK THAT PLENTY OF GROUNDS TO IF THEY WANT TO BRING IT.

>> THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF SETTLING OUT OF COURT.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT ERA?

ARE THERE DIFFERENT STARS ALIGNED WHERE THERE'S AN INCENTIVE NOT TO SETTLE ON THE PART OF THE STATE?

IF DONALD TRUMP HAS NOT BECOME PRESIDENT I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE ANY OF THESE CASES BECAUSE HE ENGAGE IN OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIORS AND HOLDS WHOLE LIFE, HE'S NOT ALONE AMONG HIS PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS FOCUSED.

DONALD IS IN MY VIEW, THE GREATEST CON ARTIST IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

I ADMIRE HIS SUCCESS AS A CON ARTIST HE CON THIS WAY ALL THE WAY INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU >> FINALLY, WE WANT TO REMEMBER FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY, I CALL IT, WASHINGTON POST COLUMNIST AND SELL THE JOURNALIST, JAMAL KHASHOGGI TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH OF HIS GOOD SUITCASES PACKED AND READY TO LEAVE DC FOR A TRIP TO TURKEY.

THERE, HE ENTER THE KINGDOM'S CONSULATE IN ISTANBUL AND NEVER RETURNED.

THE WORLD WOULD SOON LEARN THAT HE HAD BEEN BRUTALLY MURDERED INSIDE.

AND ACCORDING TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE, THE SAUDI CROWN PRINCE HAD ORDERED IT.

TODAY, HIS FIANCEE, SHARED THESE PHOTOS WITH US.

LASTING MEMORIES OF THE COUPLE OUT AND ABOUT ENJOYING LIFE TAKING SELFIES, BE ORDINARY PEOPLE.

HER TEACHER SAYS THAT JAMAL WOULD PUT OUT THE PICTURE OF THE TWO OF THEM ON HIS TV WHEN HE WAS AWAY OR MISSING HER.

JAMAL CONSIDERED HIMSELF A SAUDI PATRIOT, ALTHOUGH HE HAD BECOME A VIRGINIA RESIDENT ALMOST CRITICAL OF PRINCE MOHAMMED POLICY AND WANTED A BETTER SAUDI ARABIA.

BS HAS ALREADY DENIED OF HAVING TO DO THE MURDER AND DISMEMBERMENT.

FIVE YEARS LATER, EVEN IF JUSTICE IS NOT SERVED HIM A JAMAAL IS ALIVE MORE THAN EVER.

THEY KILLED HIM, BUT THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KILL THE VALUES HE BELIEVED IN.

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