>> MORE THAN SIX YEARS LATER, PRESIDENT TRUMP CONTINUES TO CLAIM THAT HE WON THE 2020 ELECTION AND VOTING WAS RIGGED SINCE HIS SECOND INAUGURATION LAST YEAR, TRUMP HAS INTRODUCED EXECUTIVE ORDERS DESIGNED TO CHANGE ELECTION RULES, MOST RECENTLY, PROPOSING TO CREATE LISTS OF US CITIZENS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE AND INSTRUCTING U. S. POSTAL SERVICE TO SEND MAIL BALLOTS ONLY TO THOSE FEATURED ON THOSE LISTS.

WITH UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS, MANY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ELECTION INTERFERENCE.

>> WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT DOES MAIL IN VOTING, MAIL-IN VOTING MEANS MAIL IN SHEETING, I CALL IT MALE IN SHEETING, AND WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

IT'S PART OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

AND I'M SUGGESTING STRONGLY TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, DON'T MAKE ANY DEAL ON ANYTHING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN HAVE IS WHAT'S CALLED THE SAVE AMERICA ACT.

DON'T MAKE ANY DEAL ON ANYTHING UNLESS YOU INCLUDE VOTER ID, AND YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN TO VOTE.

>> PROPUBLICA REPORTER JEN FIFIELD JOINS HARRY TO DISCUSS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS COULD MEAN FOR VOTING ACCESS LATER THIS YEAR.

>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, YOU HAVE A RECENT PIECE OUT IN PROPUBLICA CALLED INSIDE TRUMP'S EFFORT TO TAKE OVER THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

YOU START WITH THIS MEETING BACK IN 2020 THAT INCLUDED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BAR AT THE TIME, WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WHY WAS IT SO PIVOTAL?

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.

I THINK THE REASON WE CHOSE TO FOCUS ON THAT, AS YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF CLAIMS COMING OUT IN 2020, AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR WAS FACING ALL OF THOSE.

TRUMP WAS TELLING HIM YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS OR THIS, AND WHAT WE HEARD WAS HE STOOD UP TO TRUMP, EVENTUALLY AND HE RESIGNED.

BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WAS THERE WAS A BUNCH OF STAFF THAT CAME TOGETHER THAT TOLD HIM HOW TO STAND UP TO TRUMP, THAT TOLD HIM THE ELECTION WAS FAIR, THAT TOLD THEM THEY HAD RESEARCHED THIS.

SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS ONE KEY MEETING JUST BEFORE HE RESIGNED, WHERE HE MET WITH STAFF, CYBER SECURITY EXPERTS, TO TALK ABOUT THIS COUNTY IN MICHIGAN, THIS ONE CONTEST WHERE HE FELT LIKE THE ELECTION HAD BEEN RIGGED AGAINST THEM AND IT WAS A PIVOTAL MOMENT IN DECIDING THAT HE WAS GOING TO STAND UP AGAINST TRUMP, HE WENT AND HE SAID TO HIS DEPUTY AT THE TIME, I'M GOING TO, CAUSING MYSELF INTO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM REALIZED AT THAT MOMENT, THAT WAS THE END FOR HIS FEDERAL CAREER.

>> WOW.

YOU KNOW, YOUR INVESTIGATION TAKES A LOOK AT ALL OF WHAT WE ASSUME ARE THE GUARDRAILS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE , AS A RESULT OF THE 2020 ELECTION.

WHAT DID YOU INVESTIGATE, WHAT DID YOU FIND?

>> THE TEAM THAT CAME TOGETHER IN FRONT OF BAR, WE LOOKED AT THE CYBER SECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY WHICH IS A LONG WAY TO SAY THE GROUP THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AFTER THE 2017 ELECTION TO PROTECT ELECTIONS BY LOOKING AT CYBER SECURITY THREATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ORGANIZED EFFORT BEFORE 2017 AND SINCE THEN, IT'S BUILT UP INTO A VERY SOPHISTICATED MISSION.

NOW, THIS WAS THE GROUP THAT MET WITH BILL BARR AND WHEN TRUMP TOOK OFFICE, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TEAMS THAT HE DISMANTLED, YOU KNOW, HE BASICALLY, THERE WERE MORE THAN 30 PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND NOW, EVERYONE HAS BEEN REASSIGNED TO OTHER PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S NOT THAT NATIONAL LOOK AT ELECTIONS, CYBER SECURITY FROM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AT THIS POINT.

THAT WAS ONE TEAM.

WE LOOKED AT OTHER TEAMS INCLUDING AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THAT HAVE BEEN DISMANTLED, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW GONE AND NOT WATCHING OVER ELECTIONS.

>> HOW DID THIS AGENCY THAT HE CREATED, TURN OUT TO BE A TOP TARGET OF HIS.

IN A MEMO ISSUED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN 2025, IT SAID CISA SUPPRESSED CONSERVATIVE --PLATFORMS TO FURTHER ITS PARTISAN MISSION, SIMILARLY, CISA DENIED THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN RECRUITING BY INAPPROPRIATELY AND CATEGORICALLY DISMISSING WIDESPREAD ELECTION MALFEASANCE AND SERIAL --SERIOUS VULNERABILITIES WITH VOTING MACHINES.

THIS WAS AN ORGANIZATION SET UP BY THE TRUTH --TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

>> AFTER JANUARY 6th HAPPENED, AND SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES BEGAN TO CENSOR INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET, CISA WOULD COMMUNICATE IF THERE WAS FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT ELECTIONS .

FOR SOME IN THE COUNTRY, THAT WAS SEEN AS CENSORSHIP, FIRST AMENDMENT PROBLEMS, SO TRUMP WHEN HE CAME AND HE SAID I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT OR SORRY, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DID, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE SAID THAT HIMSELF.

SO THAT TEAM, WAS NOT ONLY DOING THAT, AND ACTUALLY HAD BACKED AWAY FROM THAT WORK AFTER GETTING BACKLASH ABOUT IT, SO, A FEW PEOPLE WERE LEFT WORKING ON THAT, BUT THIS IS 30 PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING ON OTHER KEY PROJECTS LIKE CHECKING OUT VOTING MACHINES AND MAKING SURE THAT HACKING DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO THEY WERE WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS BUT NOW THEY ARE GONE.

>> YOU FOCUS ON THE COUPLE OF OTHER GROUPS, USE OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL'S ELECTION SECURITY GROUP AND THE FBI'S FOREIGN INFLUENCE TASK FORCE AND THE DOJ'S PUBLIC INTEGRITY SECTION , THESE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THESE HAVE BEEN CHANGED RADICALLY, IF THEY ARE STILL AROUND, EXPLAIN.

>> SO THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WERE TAKING A LOOK AT ANY KIND OF THREATS FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS LIKE CHINA, THAT MIGHT COME IN AS AN ELECTION APPROACHED OR DURING AN ELECTION IN WHICH THEY COULD THEN RESPOND QUICKLY FROM A FEDERAL AGENCY, IN A WAY THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN'T DO IF THEY SEE SOMEONE TRYING TO HACK INTO THEIR SYSTEM, THEY HAVE THAT BROAD LOOK AT ALL OF THE THREATS IN ALL THE WAYS PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR ELECTIONS AND THEY COULD RESPOND QUICKLY AND TRY TO INVESTIGATE.

ALL OF THAT HAS NOW AT LEAST CHANGED OR A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN DISMANTLED ACROSS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> YOU ALSO BRING LIGHT TO A GROUP OF POLITICAL APPOINTEES WHO STRUCTURALLY, WERE OPPOSED TO THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT, AND WHERE ARE THEY NOW, THEY CALL THEMSELVES TEAM AMERICA, WHAT KIND OF POSITIONS ARE THE IN AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

>> WHAT WAS KEY TO US WAS LOOKING NOT JUST AT THE DISMANTLING, THAT'S BEEN IN THE MEDIA, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE LEFT UNDER THE NEW PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS , THAT HAPPENS.

WE LOOKED AT THIS TEAM THAT HAS EMERGED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, IT'S WORKING ACROSS GOVERNMENT SILOS TO TRY TO FULFILL TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS ON ELECTIONS.

SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE HOW TO SEE IF THERE'S NONCITIZENS ON THE VOTER ROLLS, TRUMP HAS CLAIMED THAT MILLIONS ARE VOTING IN ELECTIONS.

THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THAT'S TRUE BUT THIS TEAM IS FOCUSED ON TRYING TO SEIZE STATE VOTER ROLLS, FIND TOOLS TO SEARCH THOSE VOTER ROLLS, >> IS THIS BASICALLY A MERGER OR A TAKEOVER OF WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS, BY PEOPLE WHO STRUCTURALLY FEEL LIKE WELL, THEY ARE KIND OF ELECTION DENIERS?

>> THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON.

ONE THAT IS THIS NEW PUSH FORWARD FOR THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, AND THERE'S THIS OTHER CAMPAIGN GOING ON, TO REINVESTIGATE THE 2020 ELECTION AND PAST ELECTIONS.

WE RECENTLY SAW THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REQUEST BALLOTS FROM THE 2024 ELECTION THAT TRUMP WON IN MICHIGAN.

SO, THEY ARE DOING THESE TWO COMPARTMENTALIZED IDEAS WERE THERE LOOKING BACK AT THESE ELECTIONS AND TRYING TO YOU KNOW, FULFILL WHATEVER TRUMP MISSION IS IN FRONT OF THEM.

AND SO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THE WHITE HOUSE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THEY SAY THEY ARE DOING IT TO UPHOLD FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS BUT I THINK A LOT OF EXPERTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR IN GAME.

>> SO WHAT IS THE ENDGAME THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT?

>> THEY FEAR IF PEOPLE WITHIN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE WORKING ON THIS, SAY THEY SEES VOTING MACHINES, THEY ALREADY DID IN PUERTO RICO, SAY THEY CONTINUE TO SEIZE THESE MACHINES AND THEY SAY THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE VOTING MACHINES, WE CAN'T USE THESE IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

STATES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE ULTIMATE AUTHORITIES OVER THERE ELECTIONS?

THAT'S WHAT COURTS HAVE DEFENDED.

THEY ARE WORRIED THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THEN, DOESN'T TRUST WHAT WE ARE USING TO CONDUCT OUR ELECTIONS GOING INTO THIS KEY MIDTERM.

>> YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO CALLED ON THE MIDTERMS TO BE NATIONALIZED, I GUESS, EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS, IN PRACTICE, AND WHAT IS THE RESPONSE FROM LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS?

>> AS I TALKED ABOUT, STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS ARE USED TO WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THEY RUN ELECTIONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

THAT POWER IS WITH THE STATE.

THEY ARE USED TO WORKING WITH THE CYBER SECURITY AGENCY ON ELECTIONS AND NOW THEY'VE SEEN THIS TURN WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SUBPOENAS FOR THEIR VOTER INFORMATION OR THEY ARE GETTING THEIR BALLOTS SEIZED AND THEY FEEL LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS AN ADVERSARY NOW.

AND THEY ARE KIND OF TRYING TO WARGAME OUT HOW TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> THERE'S ALSO BEEN THIS PUSH TO TRY TO GET VOTER ROLLS AND RE-EXAMINE THEM, AS YOU MENTIONED.

THE FBI, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, HAS SUBPOENAED ELECTION RECORDS ACROSS THE DATA IN DIFFERENT PLACES, THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL PAM BONDI SAID , ACCURATE, WELL- MAINTAINED VOTER ROLLS ARE A REQUISITE FOR THE ELECTION INTEGRITY THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD --DESERVE.

THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING PEOPLE SHOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING OUR CITIZENS, RIGHT?

>> I AGREE, AND ALL THE COUNTY CLERKS AND STATE CLERKS WHO WORK ON ELECTIONS AGREE WITH THAT, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE NONCITIZENS VOTING, THAT DILUTES THE STRENGTH OF THE CITIZENS THAT VOTE BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE TOOL THEY'VE CHOSEN TO USE SO FAR ON THIS MISSION PROPUBLICA HAS COVERED THIS, IT'S CALLED THE SAFE TOOL, IT'S INCORRECTLY IDENTIFYING PEOPLE AS NONCITIZENS WHO ARE ACTUALLY CITIZENS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A TOOL THAT WORKS GREAT THAT IDENTIFIES ACTUAL NONCITIZENS ON THE VOTER ROLLS, WE WANT TO BE USING THAT BUT THAT'S NOT, SO FAR, WHAT'S HAPPENING.

>> THE PRESIDENT HIRED AN ATTORNEY AS IS DIRECTOR OF ELECTION SECURITY.

TELL US ABOUT OLSON AND HIS PAST ROLE IN CHALLENGING THE 2020 RESULTS?

>> KURT OLSON OCCURRED IN 2020 WHEN TRUMP WAS GETTING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION FROM LAWYERS, WHO FELT LIKE THERE WERE LEGAL STRATEGIES TO TRY TO OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS IN HIS FAVOR.

NOW, HE'S BEEN APPOINTED INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AS A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO REINVESTIGATE 2020.

ONE OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE UNCOVERED IN OUR REPORTING WAS THAT , IN THE RECENT FBI RAID IN GEORGIA FOR THEIR 2020 BALLOTS, HE WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED AND WENT DOWN AND ATTEMPTED TO INFLUENCE THE U. S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THERE, TO TRY TO GET A SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE BALLOTS AND WHEN A TOP OFFICIAL IN THE OFFICE WAS UNWILLING TO WRITE THE SORT OF MEMO THAT THEY ASKED FOR, THAT PERSON WAS THEN ASKED TO EITHER RETIRE OR RESIGN.

AND THAT PERSON DID RETIRE .

SO WE SAW A DIRECT INFLUENCE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE COMING THROUGH TO LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH MANY PEOPLE, MANY EXPERTS TOLD US, WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF TEAMS LIKE THE PUBLIC INTEGRITY SECTION WERE STILL AROUND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

>> WHAT DID HE SAY OR DID HE RESPOND WHEN YOU ASKED HIM FOR COMMENT?

>> THE FBI RESPONDED AND SAID EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE HAS BEEN UNDER THE LAW, AND THEY ARE FOLLOWING ALL LAWS WHEN THEY ARE DOING THESE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS REGARDING ELECTIONS.

>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, EVERYTHING AROUND THE NEWS CYCLE THIS DAY IS ABOUT AI, DEEPFAKES AND DISINFORMATION.

AND I WONDER HEADING INTO THIS ELECTION AND FUTURE ONES, WHAT SAFEGUARDS, IF ANY, DO WE HAVE IN PLACE, TO TRY TO PREVENT THIS, AND IN INFLUENCE THEY MAY HAVE ON ELECTIONS?

>> IT'S ALL UP TO THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST SECURE THERE ELECTIONS.

I THINK WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASED MISSION ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS PEOPLE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS ALONE.

THERE ARE NEW GROUPS EMERGING TO REPLACE WHAT CISA USED TO DO FOR CYBER SECURITY, SO THERE ARE EFFORTS UNDERWAY TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER COMES THIS NOVEMBER, THEY ARE READY.

>> THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF KIND OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COURTS SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND WHAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS ARE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT HIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO.

I GUESS IF YOU COULD, LAY OUT SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT OUT, WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS, WITH THE COURTS HAVE SAID AND HOW THEY PUSHED BACK BUT SOME OF HIS POLITICAL APPOINTEES ARE DOING ANYWAY?

>> THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER CAME OUT IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR.

THIS LOOKED AT TWO MAIN THINGS.

ONE WAS MAKING SURE THAT NONCITIZENS DON'T VOTE, BY TRYING TO CHANGE A FEDERAL FORM FOR REGISTERING TO VOTE, BY PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE FORM TO SAY, I'M GOING TO PROVE MY CITIZENSHIP NOW.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU DOCUMENTS TO PROVE THAT.

THAT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN BY THE COURT SO FAR.

THE COURTS HAVE SAID YOU CANNOT CONTROL THAT PORTION OF ELECTIONS.

THIS IS NOT YOUR ROLE AS THE PRESIDENT, CONGRESS CAN PASS A LAW TO CHANGE THE FORM, TO MAKE IT SO WE PROVE OUR CITIZENSHIP.

RIGHT NOW, WE JUST HAVE TO ATTEST TO IT AND SAY, I AM A CITIZEN TO VOTE.

THAT IS ONE THING.

HE ALSO CHANGED BARCODES ON VOTING SYSTEMS SO YOU ARE ONLY VOTING ON A PAPER BALLOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF BARCODE ON YOUR VOTE, THERE ARE SOME SECURITY CONCERNS AROUND THAT, REAL SECURITY CONCERNS AND THERE'S ALSO SOME WIDE MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT CAN LEAD TO.

AND SO, THE COURTS HAVE ALSO BLOCKED THAT PART.

NOW WE HAVE THIS NEW EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT JUST CAME OUT RECENTLY THAT SAYS, FOR MAIL-IN VOTING, THE U. S. POSTAL SERVICE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER VOTER LISTS FOR WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO CAST A MALE IN BALLOT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY CONTROLLED BY THE STATES.

THEY ASKED VOTERS TO SEND IN A NOTICE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO VOTE BY MAIL, A LOT OF THEM, AND ONCE THAT'S DECIDED, THEY ARE ON THE LIST.

WE ARE ALREADY SEEING CHALLENGES IN COURT.

>> WE'VE HAD AT LEAST A TRADITION IS NOT A SET OF NORMS THAT SAY LAW ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T COME NEAR THE POLES, THEY CANNOT BE AN INTIMIDATING FORCE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE ARE PLACES WHERE I. C. E. OFFICERS ARE NEAR THE POLLING AREAS IN SPECIFIC COUNTIES OR JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY THINK OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PLACE TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED BUT, DOES THAT CREATE ANY KIND OF ANOTHER UNINTENDED EFFECT?

>> IT DOES.

WE KNOW THAT FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM BEING AROUND POLLING PLACES.

WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THE ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE HAS SAID, HE DOESN'T SEE THE CONCERN OF HAVING I. C. E. AGENTS AROUND POLLING PLACES BECAUSE IF YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN, YOU SHOULD BE VOTING SO WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED.

BUT, WE KNOW, THAT THERE'S AN INTIMIDATION FACTOR THAT COMES IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, SPECIFICALLY MINORITY COMMUNITIES THAT SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A THREAT OR SOMETHING TO STAY AWAY FROM, THAT COULD VERY MUCH FACTOR INTO WHO SHOWS UP AT THE POLLS, SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WORKING, TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS, HOW DO WE RESPOND IF CERTAIN SCENARIOS LIKE THIS HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

AND WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW ALL OF THIS PLAYS OUT, BUT I THINK THERE IS REAL CONCERN ABOUT VOTER INTIMIDATION.

>> YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU CAN, FROM THE EXPERTS THAT YOU SPOKEN TO, WHO WATCH ELECTIONS.

A LOT OF TIMES, THE STRATEGY TO WINNING ELECTIONS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TEAM COMES OUT TO VOTE AND THE OTHER TEAM HAS A HARD TIME GETTING THERE OR A HARD TIME GETTING THEIR VOTES COUNTED, HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON A STRUCTURAL LEVEL FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ELSEWHERE, TO TRY TO CHANGE SO MANY ROLES IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME?

>> OF COURSE THERE WAS THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

IF WE GO BACK IN HISTORY, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE CERTAIN GROUPS HAVE BEEN DISENFRANCHISED SPECIFICALLY MINORITY VOTERS, IN DIFFERENT WAYS, WHEN IT WAS ALL IN PERSON VOTING.

THERE WERE ATTEMPTS TO SHIFT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT YOUR AREA, TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE CAN'T VOTE, THERE'S GERRYMANDERING THAT HAPPENS.

THAT DILUTES VOTES.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN ATTEMPTS TO DO THIS.

AND I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT DICTATING IT NOW.

YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS IN POWER, WHOSE NOT SAYING OKAY CONGRESS IS GOING TO DO THIS, THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO SET YOUR LINES, THE LOCAL COUNTY IS GOING TO DECIDE WHERE YOU VOTE, IT'S COMING FROM THE TOP DOWN NOW.

>> PROPUBLICA REPORTER JEN FIFIELD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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